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<blockquote data-quote="Whither" data-source="post: 4355218" data-attributes="member: 76643"><p>Not disingenuous at all. I have sincere doubts re: the blessings of modern civilization. Would take a long discussion to address, and we likely would not agree. My point is, do not underestimate the worth of leisure/time off. Nor that our ancestors were somehow able to survive a hundred thousand years without our vaunted standards of living. Do I think it was a primrose path? By no means. Do I think we have sacrificed <em>plenty</em> to get these standards? Absolutely. And of course, the <em>great </em>majority of people don't attain <em>our </em>(UPS RPCD) standards anyway, though they also work hard and under great pressure.</p><p></p><p> This city is unaffordable and is 'suffering' minor blowback in response. Why did it become so unaffordable? The market, above all. Thanks to the tech boom, abetted in every way by governments from city to state to federal, there's been an influx of people who can afford to pay outrageous rents/mortgages.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I fully agree with the spirit of your statement here. The humility too. I am willing to jump the gun and admit: personally, I think <em>the </em>interest of workers is to no longer be workers, to no longer live in a society that requires wage labor, which for the most part has been (and still is) a lifelong indenture, to carry on. As workers, we inevitably surrender a priceless degree of freedom (of course, under our conditions, if we must do so, it is always better to surrender this freedom as expensively/painfully as possible). On my view, the same is true of the petty business-owner. As for the big fish that somewhat escape this situation, I don't envy them. I want another world. If that's absurd to say, fine. Let this world answer for its own absurdities.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Right back atcha, brother. I appreciate your attitude even if we sometimes disagree. I'm used to people disagreeing with me. <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink2:" title="Wink :wink2:" data-shortname=":wink2:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Whither, post: 4355218, member: 76643"] Not disingenuous at all. I have sincere doubts re: the blessings of modern civilization. Would take a long discussion to address, and we likely would not agree. My point is, do not underestimate the worth of leisure/time off. Nor that our ancestors were somehow able to survive a hundred thousand years without our vaunted standards of living. Do I think it was a primrose path? By no means. Do I think we have sacrificed [I]plenty[/I] to get these standards? Absolutely. And of course, the [I]great [/I]majority of people don't attain [I]our [/I](UPS RPCD) standards anyway, though they also work hard and under great pressure. This city is unaffordable and is 'suffering' minor blowback in response. Why did it become so unaffordable? The market, above all. Thanks to the tech boom, abetted in every way by governments from city to state to federal, there's been an influx of people who can afford to pay outrageous rents/mortgages. I fully agree with the spirit of your statement here. The humility too. I am willing to jump the gun and admit: personally, I think [I]the [/I]interest of workers is to no longer be workers, to no longer live in a society that requires wage labor, which for the most part has been (and still is) a lifelong indenture, to carry on. As workers, we inevitably surrender a priceless degree of freedom (of course, under our conditions, if we must do so, it is always better to surrender this freedom as expensively/painfully as possible). On my view, the same is true of the petty business-owner. As for the big fish that somewhat escape this situation, I don't envy them. I want another world. If that's absurd to say, fine. Let this world answer for its own absurdities. Right back atcha, brother. I appreciate your attitude even if we sometimes disagree. I'm used to people disagreeing with me. :wink2: [/QUOTE]
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