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<blockquote data-quote="Bagels" data-source="post: 1160927" data-attributes="member: 43436"><p>What you've written is a classic example of a fallacy.</p><p></p><p>In 2007, UPS's achieved a <strong>huge </strong>goal in the withdrawal from Central States Pension Fund. They also successfully convinced the rank-and-file to move toward a less costly PPO insurance program (with sweet terms) -- and received plenty of other huge concessions, including the deferment of benefits for PT employees of 12/18 months and the increased usage of cover drivers. For this, the rank-and-file received a $4 / 5 year raise.</p><p></p><p>It's 2013. Many Managerial employees are upset with the increased hours they've been working, smaller raises & bonuses (many describe them as below market) and increased health care contributions -- all of which has helped contribute to UPS's huge profits, of course. And yet for some reason, the rank-and-file on BrownCafe somehow believes that UPS was seeking to reward them with continued, no-cost excellent company-provided health care & $8/5 year raises. </p><p></p><p>Without a doubt -- REGARDLESS of the politics in Washington the last several years -- UPS was going to seek de facto concessions, as they've done every single contract. Hall played his chips, and the biggest thing I{S could put on the table was health care. 97% of private sector employees contribute toward their health care - an average of $4300 annually for family coverage. We're among the 3% that pay nothing, and UPS is now battling high labor costs vs. the competition. Without a doubt, the move it made was in preparation in getting its feet wet toward future concessions. It could be that UPS believes that ObamaCare will cost it slightly more, but it's pure naivety to believe that we were going to walk away with continued no-cost company provided health care at the same levels we enjoyed over the past 5 years.</p><p></p><p>(And for the record ACA was never designed to lower health care costs, but rather to stop the slow the huge rate of increases that have made it unafforable among many employers. Yes, several politicians have slipped on this.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bagels, post: 1160927, member: 43436"] What you've written is a classic example of a fallacy. In 2007, UPS's achieved a [B]huge [/B]goal in the withdrawal from Central States Pension Fund. They also successfully convinced the rank-and-file to move toward a less costly PPO insurance program (with sweet terms) -- and received plenty of other huge concessions, including the deferment of benefits for PT employees of 12/18 months and the increased usage of cover drivers. For this, the rank-and-file received a $4 / 5 year raise. It's 2013. Many Managerial employees are upset with the increased hours they've been working, smaller raises & bonuses (many describe them as below market) and increased health care contributions -- all of which has helped contribute to UPS's huge profits, of course. And yet for some reason, the rank-and-file on BrownCafe somehow believes that UPS was seeking to reward them with continued, no-cost excellent company-provided health care & $8/5 year raises. Without a doubt -- REGARDLESS of the politics in Washington the last several years -- UPS was going to seek de facto concessions, as they've done every single contract. Hall played his chips, and the biggest thing I{S could put on the table was health care. 97% of private sector employees contribute toward their health care - an average of $4300 annually for family coverage. We're among the 3% that pay nothing, and UPS is now battling high labor costs vs. the competition. Without a doubt, the move it made was in preparation in getting its feet wet toward future concessions. It could be that UPS believes that ObamaCare will cost it slightly more, but it's pure naivety to believe that we were going to walk away with continued no-cost company provided health care at the same levels we enjoyed over the past 5 years. (And for the record ACA was never designed to lower health care costs, but rather to stop the slow the huge rate of increases that have made it unafforable among many employers. Yes, several politicians have slipped on this.) [/QUOTE]
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