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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 325660" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>That's not Obama, that's Rush Limbaugh and Operation Chaos!</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p><p> </p><p>It's funny to me how in some "conservative" circles there are claims that democrats crossed party lines to vote in McCain and now there are the same claims among "liberals" that republicans are doing the same. </p><p> </p><p>It would seem logical that among african american voters that there would be more interest in this election verses previous elections so IMO that voter increase may or may not be sustained based on the overall outcome. Hard to say at this point as to what longterm benefit this has to the democrat party. Ron Paul brought a lot of new faces into the election fray but the odds of the republican party seeing benefit from it is slim and none and one of the reason his whole effort was discounted IMO. Had Ron backed McCain or had backed the party as a whole and encouraged all those young voters to do the same, I'd venture to say the party response to his efforts would have been quite positive but then had he done this, those young voters would not have been there in the first place. </p><p> </p><p>D,</p><p> </p><p>You made an eloquent effort in an earlier post to slam the LP but here's a piece that does so and the guy is a libertarian.</p><p><a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/lp-turkish-delight.html" target="_blank">http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/lp-turkish-delight.html</a></p><p> </p><p>As I said way back, Ron Paul comes from the old school LP and he understands this process of education and planting seeds. That alone was the true purpose of his run for the WH to begin with. As Lew points out, the LP has choosen to play the same political game and I contend if you voted in a WH and whole Congress of libertarians today without an electorate undertanding it's own duties and ideals within principles of limited gov't, freedom and liberty, it would not take long for the same temptations that has corrupted the republican and democrat parties to also do the same to those of the LP stripe. </p><p> </p><p>IMO libertarianism is as much about understanding the nature or sin nature if you will of man and how out of control that can get in quick order when groups of men form collectives and are given powers to enforce that collective will under the guise of majority rule. Libertarians again IMO should be checks at the door and not about owning the room inside! If I have to obtain office to force you to freedom and liberty by the use of law, then do I not violate my own principle of not using force to make others conform to my will? It can be a very thin line sometimes when I vote as to what is protecting the little liberty and freedom I have left verses forcing others to conform to my ideals of poltical and economic structure.</p><p> </p><p>JMO.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 325660, member: 2189"] That's not Obama, that's Rush Limbaugh and Operation Chaos! :happy-very: It's funny to me how in some "conservative" circles there are claims that democrats crossed party lines to vote in McCain and now there are the same claims among "liberals" that republicans are doing the same. It would seem logical that among african american voters that there would be more interest in this election verses previous elections so IMO that voter increase may or may not be sustained based on the overall outcome. Hard to say at this point as to what longterm benefit this has to the democrat party. Ron Paul brought a lot of new faces into the election fray but the odds of the republican party seeing benefit from it is slim and none and one of the reason his whole effort was discounted IMO. Had Ron backed McCain or had backed the party as a whole and encouraged all those young voters to do the same, I'd venture to say the party response to his efforts would have been quite positive but then had he done this, those young voters would not have been there in the first place. D, You made an eloquent effort in an earlier post to slam the LP but here's a piece that does so and the guy is a libertarian. [URL]http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/lp-turkish-delight.html[/URL] As I said way back, Ron Paul comes from the old school LP and he understands this process of education and planting seeds. That alone was the true purpose of his run for the WH to begin with. As Lew points out, the LP has choosen to play the same political game and I contend if you voted in a WH and whole Congress of libertarians today without an electorate undertanding it's own duties and ideals within principles of limited gov't, freedom and liberty, it would not take long for the same temptations that has corrupted the republican and democrat parties to also do the same to those of the LP stripe. IMO libertarianism is as much about understanding the nature or sin nature if you will of man and how out of control that can get in quick order when groups of men form collectives and are given powers to enforce that collective will under the guise of majority rule. Libertarians again IMO should be checks at the door and not about owning the room inside! If I have to obtain office to force you to freedom and liberty by the use of law, then do I not violate my own principle of not using force to make others conform to my will? It can be a very thin line sometimes when I vote as to what is protecting the little liberty and freedom I have left verses forcing others to conform to my ideals of poltical and economic structure. JMO. [/QUOTE]
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