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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 648298" data-attributes="member: 17969"><p>Stewie,</p><p> </p><p>One thing that people seem confused over is the facts. This isnt a case about trained seals performing their duties while capturing a wanted man and in the process he gets a fat lip and bruses to his abdomen.</p><p> </p><p>Those at FOX and in the video AV8 posted, distort the facts of the case.</p><p> </p><p>These seals are charged with lying and interfering with an investigation.</p><p> </p><p>The suspect was already captured and in control of the seals. As he was being transferred to Iraqi authorities is when he was alledgedly beaten by the seals.</p><p> </p><p>FAUX and the republicans want to suggest and those listening jump to the conclusion that he was beaten while being captured, and thats not the case.</p><p> </p><p>The suspect was controlled, his hands and feet bound and he was aledgedly hit by ONE seal while in custody. The other 2 seals have been charged with trying to COVER it up.</p><p> </p><p>Charges:</p><p><strong>Matthew McCabe, a Special Operations Petty Officer Second Class (SO-2), <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: red">is facing three charges: dereliction of performance of duty for willfully failing to safeguard a detainee, making a false official statement, and assault.</span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong>Petty Officer Jonathan Keefe, SO-2, is facing charges of dereliction of performance of duty and making a false official statement.</strong></p><p> </p><p><strong>Petty Officer Julio Huertas, SO-1, faces those same charges and an additional charge of impediment of an investigation.</strong></p><p> </p><p>Lets stick with the facts of the case.</p><p> </p><p>You posted this <strong><span style="color: blue">"Let's see here: the Military sends special operators people they train to participate in covert operations,with all manner of weapons,and the possibility of extreme violance happening during ther missions risking their lifes for corp,country,and one another"</span></strong></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black">Do they also train them to LIE? Do they train them to provide FALSE statements? Do they train them to assault prisoners after they are in custody and pose NO threat? Do they teach them to be LESS than professional while performing their duties?</span></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000">I dont think so and neither does the military.</span></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000">Hopefully, youve actually read the charges vs. forming an opinion based on the propaganda video AV8 posted.</span></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000">That video was rediculous given the facts of the case.</span></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000">Indeed, these seals should have due process, an investigation was conducted and the military found them to have lied and interfering with an investigation. They were then charged with that.</span></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000">They had a choice, face NJP and maybe, a simple punishment would have arose, or THEY could <strong><span style="font-size: 12px">ASK </span></strong>to be court martialed and face a trial.</span></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000">They chose to be court martialed, <strong>NOT</strong> the military going after them and bringing them to a court martial as is alledged by FAUX news and those in the right wing who speak about it on FAUX news.</span></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000">THe military simply conducted an investigation after a complaint was registered by the Iraqi authorites who recieved the prisoner when the seals transferred him. </span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000">They had a choice to face <strong><span style="font-size: 12px">NJP </span></strong>"captains mast" which could have <strong>spared them any jail time</strong>, but they could have been discharged from the military. </span></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000">Instead, the three chose a court martial, which by rules, makes each of the defendants equal and all three will face the same punishment if convicted (1 Year in military confinement, reduction of pay for one by 2/3rds and discharged for bad conduct)</span></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000">Even though only one seal is charged with an assault, and the other 2 with providing false statements, because they chose a court martial, they will all face the same punishment.</span></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000">In this case, after the conclusion of the military investigation, they would have been better off in the NJP.</span></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000">Now they are playing on the medias help (FAUX news) to draw up sympathy from americans.</span></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000">But I ask you this, why is it, that there is a segment of americans who will support military soldiers who lie?</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #000000">The suspect, Ahmed Hashim Abed is only suspected of giving some order which ended up costlng the lives of 4 armed blackwater security guards, but he hasnt been proven guilty either.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #000000">Those who express support for the seals have already convicted this guy even though not a shred of evidence has been established proving he did anything.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #000000">Lets see how the case works out for the seals when they face trial in January 2010. </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #000000">Until then, expect the right wing to try and gain sympathy for the seals by playing on your patriotism and distorting the facts.</span></p><p> </p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/peaceful.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":peaceful:" title="Peaceful :peaceful:" data-shortname=":peaceful:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 648298, member: 17969"] Stewie, One thing that people seem confused over is the facts. This isnt a case about trained seals performing their duties while capturing a wanted man and in the process he gets a fat lip and bruses to his abdomen. Those at FOX and in the video AV8 posted, distort the facts of the case. These seals are charged with lying and interfering with an investigation. The suspect was already captured and in control of the seals. As he was being transferred to Iraqi authorities is when he was alledgedly beaten by the seals. FAUX and the republicans want to suggest and those listening jump to the conclusion that he was beaten while being captured, and thats not the case. The suspect was controlled, his hands and feet bound and he was aledgedly hit by ONE seal while in custody. The other 2 seals have been charged with trying to COVER it up. Charges: [B]Matthew McCabe, a Special Operations Petty Officer Second Class (SO-2), [SIZE=3][COLOR=red]is facing three charges: dereliction of performance of duty for willfully failing to safeguard a detainee, making a false official statement, and assault.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B] [B]Petty Officer Jonathan Keefe, SO-2, is facing charges of dereliction of performance of duty and making a false official statement.[/B] [B]Petty Officer Julio Huertas, SO-1, faces those same charges and an additional charge of impediment of an investigation.[/B] Lets stick with the facts of the case. You posted this [B][COLOR=blue]"Let's see here: the Military sends special operators people they train to participate in covert operations,with all manner of weapons,and the possibility of extreme violance happening during ther missions risking their lifes for corp,country,and one another"[/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=black]Do they also train them to LIE? Do they train them to provide FALSE statements? Do they train them to assault prisoners after they are in custody and pose NO threat? Do they teach them to be LESS than professional while performing their duties?[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]I dont think so and neither does the military.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]Hopefully, youve actually read the charges vs. forming an opinion based on the propaganda video AV8 posted.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]That video was rediculous given the facts of the case.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]Indeed, these seals should have due process, an investigation was conducted and the military found them to have lied and interfering with an investigation. They were then charged with that.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]They had a choice, face NJP and maybe, a simple punishment would have arose, or THEY could [B][SIZE=3]ASK [/SIZE][/B]to be court martialed and face a trial.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]They chose to be court martialed, [B]NOT[/B] the military going after them and bringing them to a court martial as is alledged by FAUX news and those in the right wing who speak about it on FAUX news.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]THe military simply conducted an investigation after a complaint was registered by the Iraqi authorites who recieved the prisoner when the seals transferred him. [/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]They had a choice to face [B][SIZE=3]NJP [/SIZE][/B]"captains mast" which could have [B]spared them any jail time[/B], but they could have been discharged from the military. [/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]Instead, the three chose a court martial, which by rules, makes each of the defendants equal and all three will face the same punishment if convicted (1 Year in military confinement, reduction of pay for one by 2/3rds and discharged for bad conduct)[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]Even though only one seal is charged with an assault, and the other 2 with providing false statements, because they chose a court martial, they will all face the same punishment.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]In this case, after the conclusion of the military investigation, they would have been better off in the NJP.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]Now they are playing on the medias help (FAUX news) to draw up sympathy from americans.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]But I ask you this, why is it, that there is a segment of americans who will support military soldiers who lie?[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]The suspect, Ahmed Hashim Abed is only suspected of giving some order which ended up costlng the lives of 4 armed blackwater security guards, but he hasnt been proven guilty either.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]Those who express support for the seals have already convicted this guy even though not a shred of evidence has been established proving he did anything.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]Lets see how the case works out for the seals when they face trial in January 2010. [/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]Until then, expect the right wing to try and gain sympathy for the seals by playing on your patriotism and distorting the facts.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][/COLOR] :peaceful: [COLOR=#000000][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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