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<blockquote data-quote="klein" data-source="post: 758093" data-attributes="member: 23950"><p><strong>Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people</strong></p><p></p><p>Oh Tony,</p><p>your trying to compare trained Swiss Army personal, that are reservist for a life time, to the average Joe American ?</p><p>If you don't have gun training, you probably can't just go to a store in Switzerland and buy a rifle.</p><p></p><p></p><p>That video doesn't tell it all.</p><p>There are so many restrictions, much more then in the US.</p><p></p><p>Here are the restrictions from wiki :</p><p></p><p></p><p>The rules laid out above were changed on 1 December 2008 as Switzerland joined the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_treaty" target="_blank"><span style="color: #0645ad">Schengen treaty</span></a>; and all member countries must adapt some of their laws to a common standard. Following the draft of the Swiss government for the new <em>Waffengesetz</em> (weapons law), these points will change:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Unlawful possession of guns will be punished.</li> </ul> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Gun trade among individuals will require a valid weapon acquisition permit: this is, from a Swiss point of view, a radical restriction that is assumed will undercut private gun trade dramatically.</li> </ul> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Every gun must be marked with a registered serial number.</li> </ul> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airsoft_gun" target="_blank"><span style="color: #0645ad">Airsoft guns</span></a> and imitations of real guns will also be governed by the new law.</li> </ul> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Only one weapon may be purchased per weapon acquisition permit: Presumably, this will dry out the market for relatively cheap used guns, including popular collector's items such as Swiss army revolvers from the late 19th/early 20th century.</li> </ul> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Weapons acquired from an individual in the last ten years (which did not require a weapon acquisition permit) have to be registered. As a central weapons register was politically unfeasible, the authorities hope to get an overview of the market through this registration requirement.</li> </ul> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">While the above mentioned "free arms" remain exempt from the weapon acquisition permit, the vendor is required to notify the local arms bureau of the sale.</li> </ul><p><strong>Buying ammunition</strong></p><p></p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cartouches-Fass90-p1000785.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Cartouches-Fass90-p1000785.jpg/220px-Cartouches-Fass90-p1000785.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a> </p><p>Ready ammunition of the Swiss Army. Every soldier equipped with the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sig_550" target="_blank"><span style="color: #0645ad">Sig 550</span></a> assault rifle used to be issued 50 rounds of ammunition in a sealed box, to be opened only upon alert. The ammunition was to load into the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magazine_(firearm)" target="_blank"><span style="color: #0645ad">rifle magazine</span></a> for use by the militiaman should any needs arise while he was en route to join his unit. Any other use than this, or even unsealing was strictly forbidden. This practice was stopped in 2007 due to safety concerns.</p><p></p><p>The government subsidizes the production of military ammunition and then sells the ammunition at cost. Swiss military ammo must be registered if bought at a private store, but need not be registered if bought at a range. Registration consists of entering your name in a log at the time of sale. Ammunition bought at the range must be used at the range.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="klein, post: 758093, member: 23950"] [B]Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people[/B] Oh Tony, your trying to compare trained Swiss Army personal, that are reservist for a life time, to the average Joe American ? If you don't have gun training, you probably can't just go to a store in Switzerland and buy a rifle. That video doesn't tell it all. There are so many restrictions, much more then in the US. Here are the restrictions from wiki : The rules laid out above were changed on 1 December 2008 as Switzerland joined the [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_treaty'][COLOR=#0645ad]Schengen treaty[/COLOR][/URL]; and all member countries must adapt some of their laws to a common standard. Following the draft of the Swiss government for the new [I]Waffengesetz[/I] (weapons law), these points will change: [LIST] [*]Unlawful possession of guns will be punished. [/LIST] [LIST] [*]Gun trade among individuals will require a valid weapon acquisition permit: this is, from a Swiss point of view, a radical restriction that is assumed will undercut private gun trade dramatically. [/LIST] [LIST] [*]Every gun must be marked with a registered serial number. [/LIST] [LIST] [*][URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airsoft_gun'][COLOR=#0645ad]Airsoft guns[/COLOR][/URL] and imitations of real guns will also be governed by the new law. [/LIST] [LIST] [*]Only one weapon may be purchased per weapon acquisition permit: Presumably, this will dry out the market for relatively cheap used guns, including popular collector's items such as Swiss army revolvers from the late 19th/early 20th century. [/LIST] [LIST] [*]Weapons acquired from an individual in the last ten years (which did not require a weapon acquisition permit) have to be registered. As a central weapons register was politically unfeasible, the authorities hope to get an overview of the market through this registration requirement. [/LIST] [LIST] [*]While the above mentioned "free arms" remain exempt from the weapon acquisition permit, the vendor is required to notify the local arms bureau of the sale. [/LIST] [B]Buying ammunition[/B] [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cartouches-Fass90-p1000785.jpg'][IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Cartouches-Fass90-p1000785.jpg/220px-Cartouches-Fass90-p1000785.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Ready ammunition of the Swiss Army. Every soldier equipped with the [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sig_550'][COLOR=#0645ad]Sig 550[/COLOR][/URL] assault rifle used to be issued 50 rounds of ammunition in a sealed box, to be opened only upon alert. The ammunition was to load into the [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magazine_(firearm)'][COLOR=#0645ad]rifle magazine[/COLOR][/URL] for use by the militiaman should any needs arise while he was en route to join his unit. Any other use than this, or even unsealing was strictly forbidden. This practice was stopped in 2007 due to safety concerns. The government subsidizes the production of military ammunition and then sells the ammunition at cost. Swiss military ammo must be registered if bought at a private store, but need not be registered if bought at a range. Registration consists of entering your name in a log at the time of sale. Ammunition bought at the range must be used at the range. [/QUOTE]
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