Another Nut With A Gun Goes On A Rampage
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Cite a case where a "killer" killed an off duty policeman specifically because he didnt have his issued service weapon on him and the "killer" knew it.
Ima go with , you cant. As Usual.
Peace.
moreluck
golden ticket member
Quit ordering people around.......
cachsux
Wah
The area I live in is referred to as coptown, yes like the movie. At one time the city required its officers to live in city limits and where we`re at was on the edge of that requirement. We have city cops, sheriffs police and staties all within a one mile radius. Do you know how much crime we`ve had in the 18+ years I lived here? None. No break ins, theft, vandalism, nothing. Loud parties don`t get out of hand, domestic disturbances get talked out before they get out of hand. "Troublemakers" from outside the area stay out.
So yea I do think the wrong type of people consider if cops are around at any given time. You cant throw a rock in any direction and not hit a cops house and our crime rate reflects that.
And as far as the comment about requiring cops to leave the service weapons at the station, they being legal citizens, have every right to own firearms privately. So if one were to "go postal" what difference would it make on which gun was used?
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
Well-Known Member
Rent "Lakeview Terrace" and you'll see that having a cop living next door may not always be a good thing.
Lue C Fur
Evil member
That movie was whack....good entertainment...but was only a movie with lots of BS.
cachsux
Wah
As soon as Samuel L Jackson moves in I`ll give you a call
But on that subject they police their own. That`s why it`s appealing. No one has to call the cops because they will walk over and settle things down before it gets that far out of hand.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
Well-Known Member
Well, yeah...would you want to watch a movie where the "cop next door" rescued cats stuck in trees?
Man, are you serious? Its called "CIVIL LIABILITY". You said it in your own post "they being legal citizens, have every right to own firearms privately"
If a police officer uses his own "personally obtained" firearm in a crime, and he's off duty, then ANY victim would be unable to "SUE" the agency who employed him.
If he uses a Agency issued, or city issued weapon, and he is off the clock and commitd a crime, he has possibly placed the agency, city and maybe county at financial risk.
Let me use an example that even Gladis Kravitz could understand and spread around the neighboorhood honestly.
The same applies to weapons. Any officer issued a weapon for employment as a police officer has the obligation to use the weapon only in the line of duty.
If its used on OFF TIME, to commit a crime, then the weapon is being "mis-used" and liability transfers to the department or agency who issued it.
Lets say a cop while in his off time catches his girlfriend cheating on him, the cop takes out the handgun issued by his department and cranks off 2 rounds into his "now" ex girlfriend and in addition, sees her cheating friend running away.
While the guy is running away, the cop cranks off 9 more shots trying to hit the guy and in the process, he hits 3 bystanders. The cop then fires one shot into his own mouth and takes his life.
Who would be finanically responsible for his actions? Who would the innocent bystanders "sue" for their injuries?
Had it not been for the issuance of the weapon in the first place and the allowance of that weapon to be in possession of the cop during his off time, the equiptment involved would have not been mis used.
It makes a huge difference which gun is used. Understanding that may give you a different perspective.
My argument is only with liability, as I agree that private persons (like cops) most likely have personal guns that they could carry with them.
What i reject is the notion that taking an issued weapon away from a police officer would make them "bigger targets". This is plain ridiculous.
Peace.
moreluck
golden ticket member
Kurt Russell was also not a good cop in Unlawful Entry.
Devils Advocate.
Many, MANY times off duty cops stop crimes by displaying/using their department issued pistols. Now who gets the blame if an off duty cop could have prevented a rape/murder/robbery if only he was allowed to carry that gun off duty?
I fully understand and agree that there is a city liability issue, but IMO, the lives saved by allowing LEOs to have their department issued pistols off-duty far outweigh the occasional nutcase.
Also, if that off-duty cop were carrying their own gun, would he be disinclined to use it to prevent a crime knowing that any mistake (miss, richochet, etc) that may injure a bystander will not be backed up by the city lawyers?
Many, MANY times off duty cops stop crimes by displaying/using their department issued pistols. Now who gets the blame if an off duty cop could have prevented a rape/murder/robbery if only he was allowed to carry that gun off duty?
I fully understand and agree that there is a city liability issue, but IMO, the lives saved by allowing LEOs to have their department issued pistols off-duty far outweigh the occasional nutcase.
Also, if that off-duty cop were carrying their own gun, would he be disinclined to use it to prevent a crime knowing that any mistake (miss, richochet, etc) that may injure a bystander will not be backed up by the city lawyers?
moreluck
golden ticket member
What the hell is that suppose to mean?
trplnkl
555
Many years ago our city in conjunction with the chief of police adopted a different hand gun for officers to carry. The majority of policemen were pissed because they would have to buy (out of their pockets) new service weapons. During the debate about this, it came out that most major cities across the country did not supply the officer's guns but did require them own specific models and caliber of guns. The cities supplied the ammo and holsters but the individual officers supplied the guns. Since then they have adopted new weapon models two more times and the debate gets rerun every time. How accurate the claim of "most major cities" is, I don't know.
trplnkl
555
Maybe it means he is really Kurt Russell
I live in the city this young woman was killed in and she worked across the street from building I work my full time job at. She was a very freindly person. There are a lot of facts that have not come out of this story. We knew this lady in passing walking in the parking lots and saying HI or How are you today. She did wait on our group many times when we had luch or dinner at where she worked. The sad part of it is the officer-boyfreind was chasing her down the road over 25 miles. The call did go the home site 911 but the big boss of the officer put a stop to the call out to the other local police Departments which would be Roanoke City Police and Roanoke County Police. These two Depatments where less then 3 miles away from she was killed. This lady knew he was goiing to kill her she got out of the car and was shot five times. This woman may have been saved if the Big Boss would have let the call go out to all 911 but he stop it. The sad part is she could not have gotten a Protective Order for her self if she wanted to in the state of VA because she was not living with him and the law will not change unitl after July 1 of this year. The big part to all this is the 12 yr old who saw her father pull a gun out and kill her mother in front of her young eyes. She has that burned into her mind the rest of life. After her mother drop to the ground a brave person did run up the car and pull that little girl from the car. The people in the lot are now are saying he turned to look into the car to see if the girl was in the car, they feel like he was going to kill her. At this very second the State Troopers did come off the road he then got into his car and speed off. The Troopers in this area are very good people and they are brave and wanted to get his man before he could kill her. All I know is my blessing go to this little girl to keep her safe and let her live her life with peace and with her loving family that she is with now. I can say to Trop TT good job and hope you are back to work and see you in JD.
grgrcr88
No It's not green grocer!
Your right no one can because they all carry their weapons!
I guarantee if criminals knew that there is a chance of somone other than them carrying a gun they will think twice about commiting a crime in that place. In my opinion every person that has been trained should be allowed to carry a gun visible to all!!
I guarantee if criminals knew that there is a chance of somone other than them carrying a gun they will think twice about commiting a crime in that place. In my opinion every person that has been trained should be allowed to carry a gun visible to all!!
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