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<blockquote data-quote="island1fox" data-source="post: 660554" data-attributes="member: 4816"><p>wkmac,</p><p>I am sure we will drive alot of the other posters crazy -but bear with me -this might be a long one.</p><p>First of all -welcome back -no apology needed -hope you enjoyed the holidays with family and friends whether from religious,tradional or pagan historic viewpoints{your tABULA RASA}</p><p>I loved reading your thoughful response and was glad you did not point out any typos in my previous response to you --sometimes these long posts that happens -NO -one is perfect.</p><p>By this time -while they are free to continue to read this -hopefully they are bored -because this post is directed at you--I know I could have sent a "private" message -but what the heck(I have to give purple something to watch<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" />)</p><p>First of all --I hate labels -even my self described Independent. All humans are so "individually complex" that Libertarian, democrat, Liberal, etc,etc -can come close -but will in my humble opinion never cover any one completely.</p><p>My "Tabula Rasa" will never be complete along as I breathe. My personal belief(I will stop using that preface-all of this is my personal belief --not right or wrong or left -just mine<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink2:" title="Wink :wink2:" data-shortname=":wink2:" />)is that all Humans and the animal kingdom will continue to have their Tabula Rasa continue to evolve and fill </p><p>during their entire earthly existence.</p><p>To make this a little simpler--I have "jimminy cricket" inside of me --some say conscience or whatever. Not the liberals or conservatives or libertarians guide or govern my life --"jimminy" does ---my ethics --what is right or wrong to my being --my conscience---he never lies to me --even when I am being not truthful to myself or being bullheaded.This does not mean my "jimminy cricket" is correct ----He or she has been formed --as Locke would state </p><p>from an empty slate --my life experiences --good and bad -happy and sad added to second by second, minute by minute, hour by hour --on and on till my end of days on earth.</p><p>Which brings me not only to religious beliefs but my earlier empty slate.</p><p>I am first generation American--My father fled Ireland in the early 1920's -persecuted and "enslaved " by the same country that bought slavery to these lands in the year 1629 -Jamestown ,VA --an English colony --not America or the United States. For me this put in my Tabula Rasa --A much different view of slavery. I hate it I abhor it --but the same people enslaved my father ,grandfather greatgrandfather etc. When the English and the Spanish empires established Slavery on these shores --it took us much too long --but the process of a truly great nation eliminated it --that is why I do not "blame America" --Not perfect --racism still exists --but it is not just white to black --it encompasses many races and again --our inherently good country continues to progress.</p><p>My Father and Mother Raised six children as "Roman Catholics" in the slums of the South Bronx. We never owned a home,a car nor went on vacations. The church did not believe in birth control and my parents were devout --they had little other "comfort" in their lives. My empty slate was filled with many of these early experiences that still guide me today. Right or wrong I was always afraid to have children --I did not want the life my parents lived and was always afraid I would forever live in poverty.</p><p>My parents were also Democrats and believed that the very poor(even worse than them ) are taken care of by the good dems rather that the evil white corporate Republicans. My father worked two jobs -a union mechanic for the railroads and a security guard every sat and sun night -to get home on time mon morning to go to the railroad. My mother worked every night as a movie cashier after doing the laundry, shopping, cleaning cooking for eight . They never took welfare or foodstamps --their pride would not let them --they worked day and night so their children could experience the "American Dream"</p><p>They taught us right and wrong --and insisted on all six of us on getting an education and living a "better life"</p><p>This is getting to be too long --should continue at some other time--but a few more comments--</p><p>I consider myself a believer in Intelligent design --SOMETHING much greator than me ---I pray to God --for lack of a better term --but do not attend any man made church. You mention and quote the Bible to me --without offending anyone --it was written by man --as with all man made writings --right or wrong --Jimminy Crickett" is always there for me.</p><p>A few major issue that will cause controversy and other posters will try to LABEL me --but what the hell.</p><p>I believe in most areas the government only screws things up and the politicians are all mainly on power royalty trips--the people -mainly the hard working middle class gets shafted. </p><p>With that being said -Jimminy --and my TabULA Rasa tell me that true evil exists in the world. The United States will not be here forever ---maybe have already started its downfall. When debt and excessive social programs sink us --the cuts will have to be made in the mighty military --a new --not better --but new world order will emerge --EVIL --will always exist.</p><p>Before the "republican" label is placed on me ---I would pull all of our troops home --protect our borders -engage with the world but make sure defense technology --missle or otherwise would always be a step ahead of evil. Instead of getting involved in long drawn out conflicts --Only in an extreme and clear and certain danger to our nation --I would use ALL force necessary. Jimminy tells me I am not a war mongering animal --but will do what I have to do to stop agression. I live my personal life in that way. I try to respect all but if evil is upon me or my family ---I will survive !</p><p>Abortion --My Tabula Rasa was jolted recently. After numerous news reports concerning Planned parenthood and sonar abortions I did some research.</p><p>When you see the baby in the womb using its little feet and hands to try to fend off the abortion instrument --it will or should give you pause.</p><p>With birth control,the pill, the morning after pill --technology should deeply cut into the number of what 'JIMMINY" tells me is barbaric.</p><p>We get so dug into Left and Right -quote the talking points --that we cannot see the trees in the forest even while we are pissing on them.</p><p>Global warming --Let all voices be heard --we all should be good stewards of our planet --but if you do not know that money and power is very prominent in todays movement --beware -</p><p>Gays --each to his own --they should have equal financial rights and benefits and not be subject to discrimination. But Jimminy tells me that lifestyle is different --not worse or better than mine. A penis going into an anus is different that a penis going into a vagina. I am not judging but Jimminy tells me --no matter how much the gays yell and scream --it is not the same --again Jimminy is not telling me what is right or wrong --just the fact it is different.</p><p>If the gays do not like the term civil unions --make up a different name on your own --but "jimminy' tells me MARRIAGE is between a man and woman.</p><p>Can anyone say Gayrarriage ???</p><p> </p><p>Now Diesel may say I am Repulican or a phony Independant or Purple may "call me out " --Each to his own. </p><p>Wkmac --I believe the older I get the wiser I get. Being retired I have climbed out of the "ups box" -I love the company --with its rights or wrongs------America --my father fled here for freedom and a better life --he did not enslave people nor drive the Indians out. He wanted a better life --especially for his children.</p><p>I have a much better life that my parents --I hope his 'SPIRIT" can see -He died when I was nineteen while I was UNloading trailors at ups.</p><p>My Mom died recently in my arms ---I was truly blessed to hold her ---no one can make me believe --such as Bill Maher or the Catholic Church -concerning the here after ---Jimminy or My Tabula Rasa tells me.</p><p>Welcome back --sorry for the long post <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/peaceful.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":peaceful:" title="Peaceful :peaceful:" data-shortname=":peaceful:" /></p><p>And may God Bless America --for all its rights and wrongs ---I have lived in three different countries for over a ten year period during my UPS years -Retired with free choice I would live no other place on earth. I try not to live in the past-- Just stongly disagree with the "honest self evaluators" that seem to belong to the blame America first crowd.</p><p>If we all truly worked together--We can only Imagine what this great Country would truly be --maybe in the next life<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /> If at all possible do not "label " me !!!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="island1fox, post: 660554, member: 4816"] wkmac, I am sure we will drive alot of the other posters crazy -but bear with me -this might be a long one. First of all -welcome back -no apology needed -hope you enjoyed the holidays with family and friends whether from religious,tradional or pagan historic viewpoints{your tABULA RASA} I loved reading your thoughful response and was glad you did not point out any typos in my previous response to you --sometimes these long posts that happens -NO -one is perfect. By this time -while they are free to continue to read this -hopefully they are bored -because this post is directed at you--I know I could have sent a "private" message -but what the heck(I have to give purple something to watch:happy-very:) First of all --I hate labels -even my self described Independent. All humans are so "individually complex" that Libertarian, democrat, Liberal, etc,etc -can come close -but will in my humble opinion never cover any one completely. My "Tabula Rasa" will never be complete along as I breathe. My personal belief(I will stop using that preface-all of this is my personal belief --not right or wrong or left -just mine:wink2:)is that all Humans and the animal kingdom will continue to have their Tabula Rasa continue to evolve and fill during their entire earthly existence. To make this a little simpler--I have "jimminy cricket" inside of me --some say conscience or whatever. Not the liberals or conservatives or libertarians guide or govern my life --"jimminy" does ---my ethics --what is right or wrong to my being --my conscience---he never lies to me --even when I am being not truthful to myself or being bullheaded.This does not mean my "jimminy cricket" is correct ----He or she has been formed --as Locke would state from an empty slate --my life experiences --good and bad -happy and sad added to second by second, minute by minute, hour by hour --on and on till my end of days on earth. Which brings me not only to religious beliefs but my earlier empty slate. I am first generation American--My father fled Ireland in the early 1920's -persecuted and "enslaved " by the same country that bought slavery to these lands in the year 1629 -Jamestown ,VA --an English colony --not America or the United States. For me this put in my Tabula Rasa --A much different view of slavery. I hate it I abhor it --but the same people enslaved my father ,grandfather greatgrandfather etc. When the English and the Spanish empires established Slavery on these shores --it took us much too long --but the process of a truly great nation eliminated it --that is why I do not "blame America" --Not perfect --racism still exists --but it is not just white to black --it encompasses many races and again --our inherently good country continues to progress. My Father and Mother Raised six children as "Roman Catholics" in the slums of the South Bronx. We never owned a home,a car nor went on vacations. The church did not believe in birth control and my parents were devout --they had little other "comfort" in their lives. My empty slate was filled with many of these early experiences that still guide me today. Right or wrong I was always afraid to have children --I did not want the life my parents lived and was always afraid I would forever live in poverty. My parents were also Democrats and believed that the very poor(even worse than them ) are taken care of by the good dems rather that the evil white corporate Republicans. My father worked two jobs -a union mechanic for the railroads and a security guard every sat and sun night -to get home on time mon morning to go to the railroad. My mother worked every night as a movie cashier after doing the laundry, shopping, cleaning cooking for eight . They never took welfare or foodstamps --their pride would not let them --they worked day and night so their children could experience the "American Dream" They taught us right and wrong --and insisted on all six of us on getting an education and living a "better life" This is getting to be too long --should continue at some other time--but a few more comments-- I consider myself a believer in Intelligent design --SOMETHING much greator than me ---I pray to God --for lack of a better term --but do not attend any man made church. You mention and quote the Bible to me --without offending anyone --it was written by man --as with all man made writings --right or wrong --Jimminy Crickett" is always there for me. A few major issue that will cause controversy and other posters will try to LABEL me --but what the hell. I believe in most areas the government only screws things up and the politicians are all mainly on power royalty trips--the people -mainly the hard working middle class gets shafted. With that being said -Jimminy --and my TabULA Rasa tell me that true evil exists in the world. The United States will not be here forever ---maybe have already started its downfall. When debt and excessive social programs sink us --the cuts will have to be made in the mighty military --a new --not better --but new world order will emerge --EVIL --will always exist. Before the "republican" label is placed on me ---I would pull all of our troops home --protect our borders -engage with the world but make sure defense technology --missle or otherwise would always be a step ahead of evil. Instead of getting involved in long drawn out conflicts --Only in an extreme and clear and certain danger to our nation --I would use ALL force necessary. Jimminy tells me I am not a war mongering animal --but will do what I have to do to stop agression. I live my personal life in that way. I try to respect all but if evil is upon me or my family ---I will survive ! Abortion --My Tabula Rasa was jolted recently. After numerous news reports concerning Planned parenthood and sonar abortions I did some research. When you see the baby in the womb using its little feet and hands to try to fend off the abortion instrument --it will or should give you pause. With birth control,the pill, the morning after pill --technology should deeply cut into the number of what 'JIMMINY" tells me is barbaric. We get so dug into Left and Right -quote the talking points --that we cannot see the trees in the forest even while we are pissing on them. Global warming --Let all voices be heard --we all should be good stewards of our planet --but if you do not know that money and power is very prominent in todays movement --beware - Gays --each to his own --they should have equal financial rights and benefits and not be subject to discrimination. But Jimminy tells me that lifestyle is different --not worse or better than mine. A penis going into an anus is different that a penis going into a vagina. I am not judging but Jimminy tells me --no matter how much the gays yell and scream --it is not the same --again Jimminy is not telling me what is right or wrong --just the fact it is different. If the gays do not like the term civil unions --make up a different name on your own --but "jimminy' tells me MARRIAGE is between a man and woman. Can anyone say Gayrarriage ??? Now Diesel may say I am Repulican or a phony Independant or Purple may "call me out " --Each to his own. Wkmac --I believe the older I get the wiser I get. Being retired I have climbed out of the "ups box" -I love the company --with its rights or wrongs------America --my father fled here for freedom and a better life --he did not enslave people nor drive the Indians out. He wanted a better life --especially for his children. I have a much better life that my parents --I hope his 'SPIRIT" can see -He died when I was nineteen while I was UNloading trailors at ups. My Mom died recently in my arms ---I was truly blessed to hold her ---no one can make me believe --such as Bill Maher or the Catholic Church -concerning the here after ---Jimminy or My Tabula Rasa tells me. Welcome back --sorry for the long post :peaceful: And may God Bless America --for all its rights and wrongs ---I have lived in three different countries for over a ten year period during my UPS years -Retired with free choice I would live no other place on earth. I try not to live in the past-- Just stongly disagree with the "honest self evaluators" that seem to belong to the blame America first crowd. If we all truly worked together--We can only Imagine what this great Country would truly be --maybe in the next life:happy-very: If at all possible do not "label " me !!! [/QUOTE]
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