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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 471233" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Sammie,</p><p></p><p>Check out some these articles concerning Al Qaeda and in the case of the Wiki articles, refer to footnotes and external links for in depth background.</p><p></p><p>Iraqi Insurgency</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_insurgency" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_insurgency</span></a></p><p></p><p>Al Qaeda in the Phillipines</p><p><a href="http://www.cfr.org/publication/9365/" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">http://www.cfr.org/publication/9365/</span></a></p><p></p><p>AQI Iraq Strenght and Activity</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda_in_Iraq#Strength_and_activity" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda_in_Iraq#Strength_and_activity</span></a></p><p></p><p>From Rand Corp. Beyond Al Qaeda, The Global Jihadist Movement</p><p><a href="http://www.rand.org/pubs/monographs/MG429/" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">http://www.rand.org/pubs/monographs/MG429/</span></a></p><p></p><p>Executive Summary of the above</p><p><a href="http://www.rand.org/pubs/monographs/2006/RAND_MG429.sum.pdf" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">http://www.rand.org/pubs/monographs/2006/RAND_MG429.sum.pdf</span></a></p><p></p><p>Al Qaeda is not something to be ignored by any stretch but I think if you read about the organization from a variety of sources, you get a sense that Al Qaeda specifically in itself may not be all that big but the idea of it is what has grown. Even more dangerous is that what is out there now have fractured into a 1000 pieces and decisions on actions don't involve a central command but rather comes from local leadership. Phillipines being one good example.</p><p></p><p>If anything Osama may be more a propoganda figurehead and opportunist than anything else. Even he (not being the mastermind behind 9/11) <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/14/AR2007031402102.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/14/AR2007031402102.html</span></a> has embraced the well worn and used Bush adminstration myth for his own causes but this doesn't mean he serves no purpose that can't be dangerous in the long run.</p><p></p><p>AQI IMO was small potatoes in Iraq and in fact was nothing more than small amounts of puss in the larger open wound of sectarian civil war betwen the Shia and Sunni. This region has a long history of millenia of this type of civil/tribal strife and no amount of american effort IMO will ever stop it. As sad as it to say this, Saddam's brutal approach is probably in the end about the only way to make thse people play nice under a single gov't. This is also the reason our gov't have built numerous military installations there including the most massive embassy of any nation on the planet.</p><p></p><p>We will not leave Iraq any time soon and President Obama knows this. His only hope at the moment is be successful on the many domestic issues and maybe quieting things with Iran because he knows at some point the antiwar left will backlash against him from his inaction in Iraq and esculation in Afghanistan. If he can win over some moderate Republicans/independents he may offset the negatives on his extreme left and negate their loss of support. He's following the Reagan model exactly and love him or hate him, he's a sharp political cookie!</p><p></p><p>As for Iraq, the biggest threat in that whole process IMO were former out of power Baathists who for there own power reasons took up the fight across the entire cross section of various insurgent groups operating in the Iraq theater. Much of the violence even now IMO are these former operatives along with other Sunni Arabs who are in the minority who fear the Shia majority taking over Iraq. Saudi Arabia is also fearful of this and this most likely explains why a larger % of Iraq insurgents are Sunni's from the Arabian pennisula. This in nothing new but in fact a centuries if not mellenia old fight. We just don't know history and therefore suspect to political manipulation by those in power who see a $ to be made out of all this!</p><p></p><p>JMO</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 471233, member: 2189"] Sammie, Check out some these articles concerning Al Qaeda and in the case of the Wiki articles, refer to footnotes and external links for in depth background. Iraqi Insurgency [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_insurgency'][COLOR=red]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_insurgency[/COLOR][/URL] Al Qaeda in the Phillipines [URL='http://www.cfr.org/publication/9365/'][COLOR=red]http://www.cfr.org/publication/9365/[/COLOR][/URL] AQI Iraq Strenght and Activity [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda_in_Iraq#Strength_and_activity'][COLOR=red]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda_in_Iraq#Strength_and_activity[/COLOR][/URL] From Rand Corp. Beyond Al Qaeda, The Global Jihadist Movement [URL='http://www.rand.org/pubs/monographs/MG429/'][COLOR=red]http://www.rand.org/pubs/monographs/MG429/[/COLOR][/URL] Executive Summary of the above [URL='http://www.rand.org/pubs/monographs/2006/RAND_MG429.sum.pdf'][COLOR=red]http://www.rand.org/pubs/monographs/2006/RAND_MG429.sum.pdf[/COLOR][/URL] Al Qaeda is not something to be ignored by any stretch but I think if you read about the organization from a variety of sources, you get a sense that Al Qaeda specifically in itself may not be all that big but the idea of it is what has grown. Even more dangerous is that what is out there now have fractured into a 1000 pieces and decisions on actions don't involve a central command but rather comes from local leadership. Phillipines being one good example. If anything Osama may be more a propoganda figurehead and opportunist than anything else. Even he (not being the mastermind behind 9/11) [URL='http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/14/AR2007031402102.html'][COLOR=red]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/14/AR2007031402102.html[/COLOR][/URL] has embraced the well worn and used Bush adminstration myth for his own causes but this doesn't mean he serves no purpose that can't be dangerous in the long run. AQI IMO was small potatoes in Iraq and in fact was nothing more than small amounts of puss in the larger open wound of sectarian civil war betwen the Shia and Sunni. This region has a long history of millenia of this type of civil/tribal strife and no amount of american effort IMO will ever stop it. As sad as it to say this, Saddam's brutal approach is probably in the end about the only way to make thse people play nice under a single gov't. This is also the reason our gov't have built numerous military installations there including the most massive embassy of any nation on the planet. We will not leave Iraq any time soon and President Obama knows this. His only hope at the moment is be successful on the many domestic issues and maybe quieting things with Iran because he knows at some point the antiwar left will backlash against him from his inaction in Iraq and esculation in Afghanistan. If he can win over some moderate Republicans/independents he may offset the negatives on his extreme left and negate their loss of support. He's following the Reagan model exactly and love him or hate him, he's a sharp political cookie! As for Iraq, the biggest threat in that whole process IMO were former out of power Baathists who for there own power reasons took up the fight across the entire cross section of various insurgent groups operating in the Iraq theater. Much of the violence even now IMO are these former operatives along with other Sunni Arabs who are in the minority who fear the Shia majority taking over Iraq. Saudi Arabia is also fearful of this and this most likely explains why a larger % of Iraq insurgents are Sunni's from the Arabian pennisula. This in nothing new but in fact a centuries if not mellenia old fight. We just don't know history and therefore suspect to political manipulation by those in power who see a $ to be made out of all this! JMO [/QUOTE]
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