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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 447922" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Republican leadership not only as elected in Washington but those policy thinkers the party has followed are IMO at the very heart of why repubicans are getting sent home to stay. And I'll use the infamous William Kristol to make my case for me.</p><p> </p><p>Mr. NeoConservative himself sez the following:</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/08/opinion/08kristol.html?_r=1" target="_blank"><span style="color: red"><strong>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/08/opinion/08kristol.html?_r=1</strong></span></a></p><p> </p><p>Now for those of you who look to the republican party as the only means and measure to advocate for small. limited gov't, you'd be wise to consider the words of Kristol. Max Boot, another NeoConservative leader who was also an adviser to McCain stated the folowing in Commentary magazine concerning Obama's appointments:</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/boot/44551" target="_blank"><span style="color: red"><strong>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/boot/44551</strong></span></a></p><p> </p><p>Like Kristol, Boot is making no bones that Clintonism, Goreism and Bushism are all literally the same thing. You can add Gingrichism on there as well. </p><p> </p><p>Republicans sold the idea to the public that they were small gov't guys and as Kristol pointed out about Bush he learned to play the game. Bush even ran against nationbuilding and condemned the Clinton adminstration on it as well as tired to paint the same brush on Gore in the 2000' campaign. See the Oct. 2000' debate transcripts alone for proof of that. </p><p> </p><p>The simple fact is, republicans have lied about what they are and now folks like Kristol, Boot and the rest feel so bold that they've won the day (and they have, make no mistake on that) they can now say who and what they really are because the last meaningless hope of small gov't within the republican party is done. Truth is just in policy and action alone, a vote for McCain would have been like voting for Bill Clinton in 92' or 96'. The only reason the illusion is made such was Palin and the name republican was associated with some so-called conservative, traditional small gov't ideal and let's face it, Palin was a gimmick to trick small gov't republicans into voting for the McCain ticket. Palin was Kristol's hand pick as well and he predicted (inside knowledge?) it several months before on Fox News Sunday that she would be McCains choice. Looking at Kristol's NYTimes op-ed, does this sound like someone who would back a person that truly was small gov't when it counted? OH HELL NO!</p><p> </p><p>Small gov't republicans have to now make a real choice going forward in where they place and how they place their votes. At the same time I also believe Obama will make many a liberal democrat eat his/her own hypocritical words as his governance will more resemble a Bush Term #3 than it will "real change." I gotta admit my sadistic side will enjoy it too! <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p><p> </p><p>I find it most ironic that among small gov't conservative republicans, a growing retreat from Washington and back towards the ideal of a strong more local autonomy with focus on State and local power. Also at the same time, the same thing is starting to happen among paleo-liberals as they realized they've been "Conned" as well by the same Neo-Con forces that brought down the conservative wing of the republican party. These 2 elements have very diverse opinions especially in areas of social issues but they are finding common ground in agreeing that Washington truly has way to much power and is abusing that power to it's own ends. </p><p> </p><p>Forget the 2 parties and the 2 party system because it's dead and bothsides in truth are the same thing. Republicans went down because they lied and now it's the democrats turn and in time they will be shown to be liars as well. Start focusing on your local and state elections and build an autonomous base there and make Washington illrelevant. If we have a local and state gov't that sez no to federal dollars and federal mingling, we might thus in turn make congress and it's mingling efforts illrelevant!</p><p> </p><p>Just a thought!</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink2:" title="Wink :wink2:" data-shortname=":wink2:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 447922, member: 2189"] Republican leadership not only as elected in Washington but those policy thinkers the party has followed are IMO at the very heart of why repubicans are getting sent home to stay. And I'll use the infamous William Kristol to make my case for me. Mr. NeoConservative himself sez the following: [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/08/opinion/08kristol.html?_r=1"][COLOR=red][B]http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/08/opinion/08kristol.html?_r=1[/B][/COLOR][/URL] Now for those of you who look to the republican party as the only means and measure to advocate for small. limited gov't, you'd be wise to consider the words of Kristol. Max Boot, another NeoConservative leader who was also an adviser to McCain stated the folowing in Commentary magazine concerning Obama's appointments: [URL="http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/boot/44551"][COLOR=red][B]http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/boot/44551[/B][/COLOR][/URL] Like Kristol, Boot is making no bones that Clintonism, Goreism and Bushism are all literally the same thing. You can add Gingrichism on there as well. Republicans sold the idea to the public that they were small gov't guys and as Kristol pointed out about Bush he learned to play the game. Bush even ran against nationbuilding and condemned the Clinton adminstration on it as well as tired to paint the same brush on Gore in the 2000' campaign. See the Oct. 2000' debate transcripts alone for proof of that. The simple fact is, republicans have lied about what they are and now folks like Kristol, Boot and the rest feel so bold that they've won the day (and they have, make no mistake on that) they can now say who and what they really are because the last meaningless hope of small gov't within the republican party is done. Truth is just in policy and action alone, a vote for McCain would have been like voting for Bill Clinton in 92' or 96'. The only reason the illusion is made such was Palin and the name republican was associated with some so-called conservative, traditional small gov't ideal and let's face it, Palin was a gimmick to trick small gov't republicans into voting for the McCain ticket. Palin was Kristol's hand pick as well and he predicted (inside knowledge?) it several months before on Fox News Sunday that she would be McCains choice. Looking at Kristol's NYTimes op-ed, does this sound like someone who would back a person that truly was small gov't when it counted? OH HELL NO! Small gov't republicans have to now make a real choice going forward in where they place and how they place their votes. At the same time I also believe Obama will make many a liberal democrat eat his/her own hypocritical words as his governance will more resemble a Bush Term #3 than it will "real change." I gotta admit my sadistic side will enjoy it too! :happy-very: I find it most ironic that among small gov't conservative republicans, a growing retreat from Washington and back towards the ideal of a strong more local autonomy with focus on State and local power. Also at the same time, the same thing is starting to happen among paleo-liberals as they realized they've been "Conned" as well by the same Neo-Con forces that brought down the conservative wing of the republican party. These 2 elements have very diverse opinions especially in areas of social issues but they are finding common ground in agreeing that Washington truly has way to much power and is abusing that power to it's own ends. Forget the 2 parties and the 2 party system because it's dead and bothsides in truth are the same thing. Republicans went down because they lied and now it's the democrats turn and in time they will be shown to be liars as well. Start focusing on your local and state elections and build an autonomous base there and make Washington illrelevant. If we have a local and state gov't that sez no to federal dollars and federal mingling, we might thus in turn make congress and it's mingling efforts illrelevant! Just a thought! :wink2: [/QUOTE]
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