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<blockquote data-quote="PobreCarlos" data-source="post: 1019938" data-attributes="member: 16651"><p>brown_trousers and coldworld;</p><p></p><p>"brown_trousers": No one that I'm aware of said that our "domestic small package operation" is "unprofitable". What's being pointed out is that, relative to other segments of the company's business, it's not necessarily all THAT profitable....and that growth in the area has lagged behind that of other segments. Beyond that, it's also the segment most under competitive pressure, and the least likely to retain a competitive cost advantage. And like I indicated in my post above, I don't think it ever will become unprofitable as long as UPS owns it. However, there's not a doubt in my mind that the company would be able to read the writing on the wall to the extent that it would dispose of that area of the business while there was still some value to it....and I'm not sure how the Teamster would fare in the process. I am aware that, as a declining revenue/profit center, the union doesn't (and can't) have the "pull" it had when it represented the entire operations of the company.</p><p></p><p>"coldworld": In response to your question about my knowing that "that many of UPS's international operations have workers that are in unions", "yes", I'm well aware of that, having worked with them myself some time back. Admittedly, my experience has been primarily with a union that eventually merged with others to become "Ver.Di" (the world's largest labor union?) in Germany. However, in comparing many of the unions abroad with the Teamsters, it seems to me that there's quite a differential generally. From what I've seen (and discussions I've had with European workers representatives), unions are far more likely to act collegial; their primary interest is in maintaining and developing the company's business in order retain and grow their members jobs, rather than engage in an adversarial relationship in which there's petty squabbling all the time. And, overseas, unions often train and discipline workers themselves; they don't wait for the company to do it. In any case, while not entirely different, it's far from the same environment working with union overseas than it is with the Teamsters.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="PobreCarlos, post: 1019938, member: 16651"] brown_trousers and coldworld; "brown_trousers": No one that I'm aware of said that our "domestic small package operation" is "unprofitable". What's being pointed out is that, relative to other segments of the company's business, it's not necessarily all THAT profitable....and that growth in the area has lagged behind that of other segments. Beyond that, it's also the segment most under competitive pressure, and the least likely to retain a competitive cost advantage. And like I indicated in my post above, I don't think it ever will become unprofitable as long as UPS owns it. However, there's not a doubt in my mind that the company would be able to read the writing on the wall to the extent that it would dispose of that area of the business while there was still some value to it....and I'm not sure how the Teamster would fare in the process. I am aware that, as a declining revenue/profit center, the union doesn't (and can't) have the "pull" it had when it represented the entire operations of the company. "coldworld": In response to your question about my knowing that "that many of UPS's international operations have workers that are in unions", "yes", I'm well aware of that, having worked with them myself some time back. Admittedly, my experience has been primarily with a union that eventually merged with others to become "Ver.Di" (the world's largest labor union?) in Germany. However, in comparing many of the unions abroad with the Teamsters, it seems to me that there's quite a differential generally. From what I've seen (and discussions I've had with European workers representatives), unions are far more likely to act collegial; their primary interest is in maintaining and developing the company's business in order retain and grow their members jobs, rather than engage in an adversarial relationship in which there's petty squabbling all the time. And, overseas, unions often train and discipline workers themselves; they don't wait for the company to do it. In any case, while not entirely different, it's far from the same environment working with union overseas than it is with the Teamsters. [/QUOTE]
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