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<blockquote data-quote="dc_sniper9130" data-source="post: 436623" data-attributes="member: 19059"><p>disclaimer: my personal experience is limited to the interal operations, i don't know anything about freight, feeder, or package car jobs.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>you're wrong. there are plenty of lazy workers at ups, especially ones that have been working in the hub for a decade or two.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>generally, yeah, but people only work as hard as they have to, and even then there are some exceptions.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>+1, pretty much sums up my thoughts. and coming from management, that's exactly why i don't usually bother with write-ups.</p><p></p><p>mostly the only thing i have against unions is that (in UPSs case at least) some of the individual workers themselves tend to get kind of an elitist attitude about how they do their job. as big_arrow said, it's nearly impossible to get fired for something that isn't a potentially life threatening oopsie, and the hourly guys know this, so it isn't uncommon for me to see somebody intentionally not working hard because they know they can get away with it. once again, i'm not trying to badmouth anyone or any group, i'm just saying in my experience i've seen a mentionable amount of lazy hourly workers in the hub.</p><p></p><p>and before i get bitched out for what i'm half-expecting you guys to call badmouthing, let it be known that when i was a loader, i was consistently in the top five on the sort (of maybe 50-75 hourly workers) in terms of scans and misload frequency. nearly every day i would come down with 1000-1200 scans (lowest i can ever remember was 910 in two trucks), so i have pretty high standards for what i consider 'hard' work.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dc_sniper9130, post: 436623, member: 19059"] disclaimer: my personal experience is limited to the interal operations, i don't know anything about freight, feeder, or package car jobs. you're wrong. there are plenty of lazy workers at ups, especially ones that have been working in the hub for a decade or two. generally, yeah, but people only work as hard as they have to, and even then there are some exceptions. +1, pretty much sums up my thoughts. and coming from management, that's exactly why i don't usually bother with write-ups. mostly the only thing i have against unions is that (in UPSs case at least) some of the individual workers themselves tend to get kind of an elitist attitude about how they do their job. as big_arrow said, it's nearly impossible to get fired for something that isn't a potentially life threatening oopsie, and the hourly guys know this, so it isn't uncommon for me to see somebody intentionally not working hard because they know they can get away with it. once again, i'm not trying to badmouth anyone or any group, i'm just saying in my experience i've seen a mentionable amount of lazy hourly workers in the hub. and before i get bitched out for what i'm half-expecting you guys to call badmouthing, let it be known that when i was a loader, i was consistently in the top five on the sort (of maybe 50-75 hourly workers) in terms of scans and misload frequency. nearly every day i would come down with 1000-1200 scans (lowest i can ever remember was 910 in two trucks), so i have pretty high standards for what i consider 'hard' work. [/QUOTE]
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