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<blockquote data-quote="104Feeder" data-source="post: 1037022" data-attributes="member: 42554"><p>Also, lets look at the 11 hour driving time. Like I said, if you were recording it on a logbook it would all be considered 'Driving' time once you went on road.</p><p>Lets assume a typical 180 stop resi route, with 2 minutes per stop (6 hours of non-driving time). That's from stop car/select routine/D.R./start car routine.</p><p>15 min each for A.M. and P.M. routine so 1/2 hour</p><p>1/2 hour breaks and 1 hour meal to keep it nice and tidy. </p><p>So you have 7 hours of 'on duty' time, 1 hour off duty.</p><p>If I work 14 hours punch to punch(and I probably would on that route), you've only used 6 hours of actual "wheel time" not even close to the 11 hour limit. Even if you go 16 hours you are still well below. </p><p><em></em></p><p><em>However, </em>I would argue (having done both many, many years) that driving a Package car is much more fatiguing that a Feeder tractor. We're big and slow and staying awake is the hardest battle. Falling asleep isn't the biggest factor in accidents though. Fatigue and being sleepy are different. Sleepiness causes inattention while fatigue causes you to make mistakes. In my personal opinion and experience, I've never felt as unsafe in Feeders as I was after a 12-14 hour day driving the Package car especially on the return-to-building trip. I would remove the exemption and reduce total on duty time to 10 hours for non-CDL property carrying drivers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="104Feeder, post: 1037022, member: 42554"] Also, lets look at the 11 hour driving time. Like I said, if you were recording it on a logbook it would all be considered 'Driving' time once you went on road. Lets assume a typical 180 stop resi route, with 2 minutes per stop (6 hours of non-driving time). That's from stop car/select routine/D.R./start car routine. 15 min each for A.M. and P.M. routine so 1/2 hour 1/2 hour breaks and 1 hour meal to keep it nice and tidy. So you have 7 hours of 'on duty' time, 1 hour off duty. If I work 14 hours punch to punch(and I probably would on that route), you've only used 6 hours of actual "wheel time" not even close to the 11 hour limit. Even if you go 16 hours you are still well below. [I] However, [/I]I would argue (having done both many, many years) that driving a Package car is much more fatiguing that a Feeder tractor. We're big and slow and staying awake is the hardest battle. Falling asleep isn't the biggest factor in accidents though. Fatigue and being sleepy are different. Sleepiness causes inattention while fatigue causes you to make mistakes. In my personal opinion and experience, I've never felt as unsafe in Feeders as I was after a 12-14 hour day driving the Package car especially on the return-to-building trip. I would remove the exemption and reduce total on duty time to 10 hours for non-CDL property carrying drivers. [/QUOTE]
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