DOT Regulations

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by EmraldArcher, Oct 7, 2012.

  1. EmraldArcher

    EmraldArcher Member

    Are there any federally imposed limits to how many hours per day and week a package car driver can be driving?
  2. laffter

    laffter Active Member

    I thought it was 60/wk?
  3. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    14 (12 driving/2 non-driving) and 70 (60 driving/10 non-driving)
  4. EmraldArcher

    EmraldArcher Member

    So what about the time we spend actually delivering packages, is that considered "driving" time by the DOT for these purposes?
  5. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Yes---as long as you are the person operating the package car that is considered driving time. Can you imagine trying to keep track of the actual time behind the steering wheel? Now, if you get to 12 hours and there is still work on the car, you can be asked to sit in the jump seat while a supervisor or other hourly drives. You cannot work more than 14 hours in a day as you must have a 10 hour reset between shifts.
  6. Isn't delivering-delivering and driving-driving? Telematics could and does do this automatically. No mystery. In a feeder, you are driving or on duty with all the same limits except UPS's limit is 58 total unless an emergency and then you better not reach 60.
  7. EmraldArcher

    EmraldArcher Member

    Yea I didn't know if there was some formula applied to the time spent on your route that determined how many minutes per hour you were driving versus doing other things.

    Edit: So if you have to have 10 hours in-between shifts then the 14 (12/2) includes your hour break right?
  8. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    All time spent operating the package car is considered driving time for DOT purposes.

    Legalize it and tax it.

  9. Not rocket science. Wheels rolling, you're driving. As I understand "driving".
  10. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    There is no formula applied which differentiates driving time and delivering time. All time spent operating the package car is considered driving time for DOT purposes.

    The 12/14 hours includes your meal break.

  11. So, if say you're opening and closing the door....that's "operating the package car"?
  12. EmraldArcher

    EmraldArcher Member

    Thanks guys!
  13. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    All time spent operating the package car is considered driving time for DOT purposes.

    Legalize it and tax it.
  14. packageguy

    packageguy Well-Known Member

    They told us 14 a day 13 driving plus 1 hour lunch come your 5th day if you don't have 8 hours to start you will not go on road.

  15. So, if I'm in the back of the package car urinating, holding the door closed(because the latch is faulty)(during a delivery).....that's driving?
  16. Brownslave688

    Brownslave688 You want a toe? I can get you a toe.

    2 not driving really? They worked us the full 14 all last peak. I can tell u the rural route guys don't have 2 hours not driving.
  17. brown67

    brown67 Active Member

    14 hours on duty (punch in to punch out. Lunch break is on duty time.) per day max. 11 hours driving per day max. 60 hours per week max. Driving is driving. If the truck is stopped you are not driving, but you are on duty. Most package car drivers will never have a problem with the 11 hours of driving in a day. The reason UPS stresses not going over 12 hours in day is so you don't run out of hours in a week.

  18. Yes sir. That's my understanding of the regs. "Operating" of the package car or as it was described as "delivering" is pretty nebulous. My understanding is if wheels rolling you are driving. All the rest is duty time. It's tough to run out of time(driving) even in feeders unless something odd happens. Most runs aren't more than 5 to 5.5 hours oneway for these restrictions. There are exceptions of course. Now you can run out of total hours with "extra" work or add on cpu or other scenarios.
  19. Funfact

    Funfact Well-Known Member

    Any time working whether driving a package car or hammering a nail is consider in the 14 hours.. If your a driver and have a job on the side those hour count as well. You need to have 10 off time not working any job your getting paid for... If you volunteer work after UPS (ie soup kitchen, delivering meal, etc ) those f hour don't count.

    14-Hour Limit
    May not drive beyond the 14th consecutive hour after coming on duty, following 10 consecutive hours off duty. Off-duty time does not extend the 14-hour period.

    You can driver 14. Your not limited to 12. That why they call it the 14 and 10 rule. Not the 12 / 2 / 10 rule. If your violate any of the rules UPS is obligated to notify the DOT of your violation. You not UPS is responsible for keeping track of your hours.

    Your limited to 60 hours a week or 70 depending on how many consecutive days 7/8 your work week is. For a UPS package car driver it should be 60. After your 60 or 70 hr you need to have 34 consecutive hours of off time not working any job your getting paid for to reset your hours.
    Last edited: Oct 7, 2012
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