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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 97534" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>nospin,</p><p>Here's our choice.</p><p> </p><p>At best we have a current fudicary agent who is somewhat inept but at the same time motivated by poitical power and control who we know at the moment we'll at least get most of what we've been promised. May be a sandwich instead of T-Bone but we'll at least eat something. Now we also know there is a chance even this could go away but for the moment we feel fairly safe at getting a little bit of what's been promised. With a little luck we may even get lucky and get by better than we thought. </p><p> </p><p>At worst, they are a lying, former mob connected and manipulated fudicary agent that can't be trusted and is so toothless that UPS really plays them like a puppet and we're just along for the ride. Other opinions generally fall somewhere in between of these extremes and you'll have a few that rah-rah the union with blind loyality only worthy to be shown to God him/herself or genderless if you prefer.</p><p> </p><p>Regarding the APWA, what hurts them is not the ideas and the thinking because in many respects it's a no-brainer and if there was a completely clean slate, union speaking, at UPS and we had to decide on which union based on the real history of the Teamsters verses what is only potential of the APWA, I say most UPSers would at the least give strong consideration to the APWA concept because again, there is no track record or connnection, nothing vested especially moneywise, any of us have with either entity. I mentioned Teamster's history because they do exist beyond UPS whereas APWA doesn't. Even the UPSers I've talked with who aren't ready by any means to make the leap to APWA completely admit APWA would be a no brainer if we were non-union looking to go union. </p><p> </p><p>This is the situation you have at UPS Freight and the prior troubles at Overnight with the Teamsters did leave some bad tastes in some Overnight hourlies' mouths. I still believe UPS Freight presents a grand opportunity to gain that track record they so badly need and to also show the rest of us what is possible beyond the IBT. The one thing I've learned from my employment at UPS and membership in the IBT is never allow nobody other than yourself to control the direction of you retirement monies being place aside for you. Only real answer to retirement IMO is all monies go into employee's 401k and nothing less than that but I think APWA idea has more chance than the 401k idea. I agree I'm crazy but I'm a realistic kinda crazy! <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/tongue_smilie.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":tongue_sm" title="Tongue Smilie :tongue_sm" data-shortname=":tongue_sm" /> </p><p> </p><p> If they (doesn't matter who they is)control it, they in some respects control you as well. I also think the $7k per month retirement is a big oversell and you'd have better luck of cutting in half and doing something more significant for those of us with 20 or more years closing in on the day we can hang it up at UPS. Why keep talking about $7k per month when it's a longshot over the longhaul for the newer, younger UPSer and an absolute impossible number for the many of us who have been around. The young UPS/Union member won't drive your effort but the one's who've been here will and you guys know this because most of us during our early years were so far from all of this it was/is almost meaningless. Why do you think the bonus money works so well with the younger UPSer. Been there, done that, gotta T-Shirt!</p><p> </p><p>Think about it my friend.</p><p> </p><p>As for Kum-bah-yah?</p><p> </p><p>Foul! Seperation of Church and State!!!!!</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/tongue_smilie.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":tongue_sm" title="Tongue Smilie :tongue_sm" data-shortname=":tongue_sm" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 97534, member: 2189"] nospin, Here's our choice. At best we have a current fudicary agent who is somewhat inept but at the same time motivated by poitical power and control who we know at the moment we'll at least get most of what we've been promised. May be a sandwich instead of T-Bone but we'll at least eat something. Now we also know there is a chance even this could go away but for the moment we feel fairly safe at getting a little bit of what's been promised. With a little luck we may even get lucky and get by better than we thought. At worst, they are a lying, former mob connected and manipulated fudicary agent that can't be trusted and is so toothless that UPS really plays them like a puppet and we're just along for the ride. Other opinions generally fall somewhere in between of these extremes and you'll have a few that rah-rah the union with blind loyality only worthy to be shown to God him/herself or genderless if you prefer. Regarding the APWA, what hurts them is not the ideas and the thinking because in many respects it's a no-brainer and if there was a completely clean slate, union speaking, at UPS and we had to decide on which union based on the real history of the Teamsters verses what is only potential of the APWA, I say most UPSers would at the least give strong consideration to the APWA concept because again, there is no track record or connnection, nothing vested especially moneywise, any of us have with either entity. I mentioned Teamster's history because they do exist beyond UPS whereas APWA doesn't. Even the UPSers I've talked with who aren't ready by any means to make the leap to APWA completely admit APWA would be a no brainer if we were non-union looking to go union. This is the situation you have at UPS Freight and the prior troubles at Overnight with the Teamsters did leave some bad tastes in some Overnight hourlies' mouths. I still believe UPS Freight presents a grand opportunity to gain that track record they so badly need and to also show the rest of us what is possible beyond the IBT. The one thing I've learned from my employment at UPS and membership in the IBT is never allow nobody other than yourself to control the direction of you retirement monies being place aside for you. Only real answer to retirement IMO is all monies go into employee's 401k and nothing less than that but I think APWA idea has more chance than the 401k idea. I agree I'm crazy but I'm a realistic kinda crazy! :tongue_sm If they (doesn't matter who they is)control it, they in some respects control you as well. I also think the $7k per month retirement is a big oversell and you'd have better luck of cutting in half and doing something more significant for those of us with 20 or more years closing in on the day we can hang it up at UPS. Why keep talking about $7k per month when it's a longshot over the longhaul for the newer, younger UPSer and an absolute impossible number for the many of us who have been around. The young UPS/Union member won't drive your effort but the one's who've been here will and you guys know this because most of us during our early years were so far from all of this it was/is almost meaningless. Why do you think the bonus money works so well with the younger UPSer. Been there, done that, gotta T-Shirt! Think about it my friend. As for Kum-bah-yah? Foul! Seperation of Church and State!!!!! :tongue_sm [/QUOTE]
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