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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 497816" data-attributes="member: 17969"><p>Dannyboy, you seem to be hostile towards all UPS employees and it reads that way in all your posts surrounding employee actions. I get the impression that you believe all employees are guilty of something.</p><p> </p><p>Look, when it comes to time, lunches and breaks, Time can be considered a "negilible" error. If you believe that 5 minutes should warrant a "term" for an employee, then I disagree strongly.</p><p> </p><p>There are tradeoffs both on management side and employees sides and such an occurence would not warrant any discipline.</p><p> </p><p>What if after an employee punches out for the day, and the sup comes and wants to discuss company business with the employee for 15 minutes??</p><p> </p><p>Did the sup steal "paid for" time from the employee??</p><p> </p><p>Any discussion of company business is considered "working".</p><p> </p><p>Should the sup be fired?</p><p> </p><p>The contract is simple, its not a set of rules, its a set of PROTECTIONS against "aggressive" company actions.</p><p> </p><p>There is nothing in any of our agreements that can be considered RULES for employees.</p><p> </p><p>The only circumventing is on the side of the management, most of whom believe they are Rhodes scholars and can interpret negotiated language better than the people who actually sat down and negotiated it.</p><p> </p><p>Most conflicts occur when a sup "reads" into language and over steps "intention" with language.</p><p> </p><p>These instances COST the company more money than it saves.</p><p> </p><p>There are hundreds of cases where a management person FIRED and employee thinking he had it right. While the employee is out, another employee is paid to do the job of the fired employee, the fired employee is out 3 months, has his case in arbitration and returns with full back pay.</p><p> </p><p>How did the company benefit from this??</p><p> </p><p>When it comes to our contract, our employees know that they are RIGHTS and not RULES.</p><p> </p><p>Learn the difference.<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink2:" title="Wink :wink2:" data-shortname=":wink2:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 497816, member: 17969"] Dannyboy, you seem to be hostile towards all UPS employees and it reads that way in all your posts surrounding employee actions. I get the impression that you believe all employees are guilty of something. Look, when it comes to time, lunches and breaks, Time can be considered a "negilible" error. If you believe that 5 minutes should warrant a "term" for an employee, then I disagree strongly. There are tradeoffs both on management side and employees sides and such an occurence would not warrant any discipline. What if after an employee punches out for the day, and the sup comes and wants to discuss company business with the employee for 15 minutes?? Did the sup steal "paid for" time from the employee?? Any discussion of company business is considered "working". Should the sup be fired? The contract is simple, its not a set of rules, its a set of PROTECTIONS against "aggressive" company actions. There is nothing in any of our agreements that can be considered RULES for employees. The only circumventing is on the side of the management, most of whom believe they are Rhodes scholars and can interpret negotiated language better than the people who actually sat down and negotiated it. Most conflicts occur when a sup "reads" into language and over steps "intention" with language. These instances COST the company more money than it saves. There are hundreds of cases where a management person FIRED and employee thinking he had it right. While the employee is out, another employee is paid to do the job of the fired employee, the fired employee is out 3 months, has his case in arbitration and returns with full back pay. How did the company benefit from this?? When it comes to our contract, our employees know that they are RIGHTS and not RULES. Learn the difference.:wink2: [/QUOTE]
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