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<blockquote data-quote="GROUNDIsAHugeSCAM" data-source="post: 1206265" data-attributes="member: 48213"><p>A living wage in my area? I would estimate it to be around $35,000 for a single person with no dependents. That includes a modest home, a car, food, utilities, etc. All the trappings of a modest, livable American life. I could drag healthcare into this, but it is such a politically and socially charged issue that I'll leave it alone. But healthcare IS A NECESSARY PART of a "living wage". Ground jobs here are all salaried at $30,000... some contractors pay as low as $28,000. Others pay per stop but it always adds up to no more than 31,000 dollars. Those are within my living wage calculations ......... for a single person with no dependents.</p><p></p><p>Which is not very many people. Most people have either 1) a family 2) child support or other familial obligations</p><p>The living wage for a family of 4, for example, I would estimate to be atleast $45,000 per year, if not a bit higher. Ground in no way covers anything remotely needed for a single person, or a family especially.</p><p></p><p>Contractors exploit stupid people who are too ignorant to know they're getting exploited. They justify it by comparing it to the local market, or calling blaming it on "the system". Fred built the system, but contractors utilize it. I've met a few decent HD contractors who paid their drivers a LIVABLE wage and gave them some crappy benefits, but they are not the norm.</p><p></p><p>Ground is a terrible job for a college student, which one would think is the optimal employee. In my area, a student can make more doing a crappy hourly job like working at home depot, and get some benefits as well. It may only be 10 bucks an hour, but its a consistent schedule and provides a few perks, as crappy as they may be. I was a Ground driver, an express courier, and now I am a manager, and I wholeheartedly believe that most contractors are crooks. I have tremendous respect for contractors who own and operate a single route. That is the only smart business model I've seen associated with Ground.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GROUNDIsAHugeSCAM, post: 1206265, member: 48213"] A living wage in my area? I would estimate it to be around $35,000 for a single person with no dependents. That includes a modest home, a car, food, utilities, etc. All the trappings of a modest, livable American life. I could drag healthcare into this, but it is such a politically and socially charged issue that I'll leave it alone. But healthcare IS A NECESSARY PART of a "living wage". Ground jobs here are all salaried at $30,000... some contractors pay as low as $28,000. Others pay per stop but it always adds up to no more than 31,000 dollars. Those are within my living wage calculations ......... for a single person with no dependents. Which is not very many people. Most people have either 1) a family 2) child support or other familial obligations The living wage for a family of 4, for example, I would estimate to be atleast $45,000 per year, if not a bit higher. Ground in no way covers anything remotely needed for a single person, or a family especially. Contractors exploit stupid people who are too ignorant to know they're getting exploited. They justify it by comparing it to the local market, or calling blaming it on "the system". Fred built the system, but contractors utilize it. I've met a few decent HD contractors who paid their drivers a LIVABLE wage and gave them some crappy benefits, but they are not the norm. Ground is a terrible job for a college student, which one would think is the optimal employee. In my area, a student can make more doing a crappy hourly job like working at home depot, and get some benefits as well. It may only be 10 bucks an hour, but its a consistent schedule and provides a few perks, as crappy as they may be. I was a Ground driver, an express courier, and now I am a manager, and I wholeheartedly believe that most contractors are crooks. I have tremendous respect for contractors who own and operate a single route. That is the only smart business model I've seen associated with Ground. [/QUOTE]
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