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Friday the 25th, UPS forcing FT inside employees to work actual hours only - On Topic
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<blockquote data-quote="Mugarolla" data-source="post: 2485809" data-attributes="member: 8481"><p>You quoted the contract correctly, but you are kind of in the middle here.</p><p></p><p>If you are required to work, you are guaranteed 8 hours. The problem is, UPS is saying you are not required to work because part of your job has been eliminated and you are getting paid for the Holiday.</p><p></p><p>If you do not agree to actual hours, you will be told not to come in and still collect your holiday pay.</p><p></p><p>If you grieve it, you cannot grieve it under Article 15 because UPS is saying you are not required to work.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Very good advice.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No it does not. It sounds to me from his post that if he doesn't agree to work actual that he will not be required to work on Friday. No 8 hour guarantee</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Correct. If you're being forced. If he does not sign the paperwork, he will be told that his job is eliminated and to not report for work. Hence, not being forced to work.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Agreed. But if they tell you that your job is eliminated on Friday, you're going to come in and punch in anyway? Good luck winning that 8 hour guarantee grievance.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No problem with that. Again, they are not forcing the OP to come in. If he doesn't agree to actual, they will tell him he is not needed at all and to just stay home and collect his holiday pay.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is one avenue that could be tried, although it is no guarantee. It may not be an extra contractual agreement. An employee can request actual pay within the contract. In this case, the employer is requesting it, but they can argue that the employee agreed to work actual.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>See my reply above. How do employees request 8 actual where you are? Signing something. I'm not saying that it would not be thrown out as an extra contractual agreement, but don't count on it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is uncharted waters. He is only guaranteed 24 hours this week due to 2 holidays, so they do not have to work him on Friday. He already has his guarantee. He is only guaranteed 8 hours on Friday if he is forced to work. If he does not agree to actual, he will not be required to work and still get his contractual weekly guarantee.</p><p></p><p>Can he sign it and claim extra contractual agreements are null and void? May win this, may not.</p><p>If he doesn't sign it and is told not to come in, can he grieve this and win it. Doubtful.</p><p>Can he claim less seniority employee working and he is not? Depends on the local's lay-off language.</p><p></p><p>Best advice......Check with your BA before Friday. He/She should know your Local's practices. But don't count on it 100% Like I said, uncharted waters. It may take a grievance and a panel decision to decide this.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mugarolla, post: 2485809, member: 8481"] You quoted the contract correctly, but you are kind of in the middle here. If you are required to work, you are guaranteed 8 hours. The problem is, UPS is saying you are not required to work because part of your job has been eliminated and you are getting paid for the Holiday. If you do not agree to actual hours, you will be told not to come in and still collect your holiday pay. If you grieve it, you cannot grieve it under Article 15 because UPS is saying you are not required to work. Very good advice. No it does not. It sounds to me from his post that if he doesn't agree to work actual that he will not be required to work on Friday. No 8 hour guarantee Correct. If you're being forced. If he does not sign the paperwork, he will be told that his job is eliminated and to not report for work. Hence, not being forced to work. Agreed. But if they tell you that your job is eliminated on Friday, you're going to come in and punch in anyway? Good luck winning that 8 hour guarantee grievance. No problem with that. Again, they are not forcing the OP to come in. If he doesn't agree to actual, they will tell him he is not needed at all and to just stay home and collect his holiday pay. This is one avenue that could be tried, although it is no guarantee. It may not be an extra contractual agreement. An employee can request actual pay within the contract. In this case, the employer is requesting it, but they can argue that the employee agreed to work actual. Yes. See my reply above. How do employees request 8 actual where you are? Signing something. I'm not saying that it would not be thrown out as an extra contractual agreement, but don't count on it. This is uncharted waters. He is only guaranteed 24 hours this week due to 2 holidays, so they do not have to work him on Friday. He already has his guarantee. He is only guaranteed 8 hours on Friday if he is forced to work. If he does not agree to actual, he will not be required to work and still get his contractual weekly guarantee. Can he sign it and claim extra contractual agreements are null and void? May win this, may not. If he doesn't sign it and is told not to come in, can he grieve this and win it. Doubtful. Can he claim less seniority employee working and he is not? Depends on the local's lay-off language. Best advice......Check with your BA before Friday. He/She should know your Local's practices. But don't count on it 100% Like I said, uncharted waters. It may take a grievance and a panel decision to decide this. [/QUOTE]
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