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<blockquote data-quote="dannyboy" data-source="post: 431106" data-attributes="member: 484"><p>cement</p><p> </p><p>i think that is what bbag was posting?</p><p> </p><p>i agree, not belonging to the union but yet being allowed all the benefits are a bit screwy.</p><p> </p><p>but not allowing someone the free choice of belonging or not is also screwy.</p><p> </p><p>the employees at auto makers do not have a say so as to the crap they produce. just like we dont have a say as to what time we make certain deliveries. those decisions are made by people that get paid too much for what they contribute, but yet somehow they have figured out a way to make themselves too valuable to fire? even though their contribution is of very limited or no value?</p><p> </p><p>one more take. when we did the job in philly, it is interesting on how the strangle hold of unionism really is. even though the pay for me and my guys did not change, we had to fork out almost 1000 to the union for us to do a three day project. workers did not make a dime more, the company and the workers saw no benefit from that money being paid to the union. </p><p> </p><p>much like a pay off, only the union office(ers) saw a benefit from that extra cost. but because of the closed shop mentality, that extra grand went to the union instead of being split as a bonus between the people that actually worked their asses off to get the job done within the time allotted. </p><p> </p><p>somehow, some people figure that is fair. i happen to disagree.</p><p> </p><p>d</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dannyboy, post: 431106, member: 484"] cement i think that is what bbag was posting? i agree, not belonging to the union but yet being allowed all the benefits are a bit screwy. but not allowing someone the free choice of belonging or not is also screwy. the employees at auto makers do not have a say so as to the crap they produce. just like we dont have a say as to what time we make certain deliveries. those decisions are made by people that get paid too much for what they contribute, but yet somehow they have figured out a way to make themselves too valuable to fire? even though their contribution is of very limited or no value? one more take. when we did the job in philly, it is interesting on how the strangle hold of unionism really is. even though the pay for me and my guys did not change, we had to fork out almost 1000 to the union for us to do a three day project. workers did not make a dime more, the company and the workers saw no benefit from that money being paid to the union. much like a pay off, only the union office(ers) saw a benefit from that extra cost. but because of the closed shop mentality, that extra grand went to the union instead of being split as a bonus between the people that actually worked their asses off to get the job done within the time allotted. somehow, some people figure that is fair. i happen to disagree. d [/QUOTE]
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