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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 537171" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>I know this can be a very emotionally charged subject from so many different directions and each has valid points. The clear choice would only seem clear from a cetain POV and I understand that.</p><p></p><p>A couple of posters pointed out the expertise of scienctific study/testing/etc. and it's hard to argue that point. Ah but lest I try.<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p><p></p><p>I just happen to run across <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20120508060846/http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig10/deutsch1.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">this</span></a> written by an 87 year old who has a Ph.d. in biochemistry and holds more than 60 patents (US and Foreign) and most concern medical diagnostic tests. One might well say, this gentleman could easily qualify as being "expert" in the scientific field and who can doubt his medical expertise since his many patents aplly to that field. Now, that said consider his observation concerning lab testing as it might apply to drugs or even formats of medical treatment.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Now his comments pertain to the link between heart disease and saturated fats but what about in our discussion as it pertains to cancer and the standard prescibed accepted treatment from so many so-called experts? I've heard for example some talk that the mother and son headed to Mexico for alternative treatment. I don't know if true or not but if true, it does shoot holes in the idea that the mother is withholding treatment from her son. But you say those alternative ideas like treating cancer with vitamins is stupid. Really? Better tell the <a href="http://www.cancer.gov/newscenter/pressreleases/SELECTQandA" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">National Cancer Institute</span></a> as they right now are studying just such a link.</p><p></p><p>Back in the 80's, some really nutty doctors and wacky alternative medicine types pointed out the <a href="http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-02/sri-ssc020609.php" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">chrystalline structure</span> </a>of cancer and it being a virus. Now my father has advance degrees in animal husbandry and if you ever want to know about viruses, don't ask your family MD, ask you family vet. I remember when this stuff was floating around and I didn't make heads nor tails of it but I remember my Dad uttering a really big "AH HA!" when he heard it. When it finally came out about the link between cervical cancer and a virus, I remembered those wack, nut doctors from the 80's and also seeing my dad smile and saying, "now that makes sense!"</p><p></p><p>Now as we speak, more and more traditonal medicine is looking at this <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20090412060230/http://www2.mdanderson.org/depts/oncolog/articles/04/1-jan/1-04-2.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">viral</span></a> link that 20 to 30 years ago was considered as nutty as the idea that George Bush and Dick Cheney flew the jets into the WTC personally on 9/11. Would any of you be upset if the mother had taken the boy to England for treatment at say the <a href="http://www.doveclinic.com/default.htm" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">DoveClinic</span></a> which is an accepted medical treatment facility that uses various vitamin <a href="http://www.canceractive.com/page.php?n=470" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">regimens</span></a> to treat cancer? No problem you say? They don't use chemo or radiation and yet in the socialist medicine world of England they operate quite nicely. <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/surprised.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":surprised:" title="Surprised :surprised:" data-shortname=":surprised:" /> So much for the myth of free market medicine in America.</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink2:" title="Wink :wink2:" data-shortname=":wink2:" /></p><p></p><p>Why Vitamin C? Ah, the virus connection again. Understand the <a href="http://www.commoncold.org/undrstn3.htm" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">common cold</span></a> and you may solve the riddle of cancer. Each cell's health may be the secret and <a href="http://recipes.howstuffworks.com/vitamin-c1.htm" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">vitamin C</span></a> may be that health.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Vitamin C as it turns out strenghtens the outter cell casing making it hard for a virus receptor to penetrate and infect the cell. As much as I dislike the over the top political fascism of Mike Savage, he is an expert when it comes to homopathy and alternative treatments and if I know he's talking this, I'm tuned in and well worth the listen. Everything else is just BLAH!</p><p></p><p>So for the experts advocating chemo/radiation, you can also point out experts advocating otherwise and for other alternative means so who decides?</p><p></p><p>The gov't! But here's the question everyone has to ask themselves abut the gov't blessed means of medical care. Was the ultimate decision made based off of imperical scientific proof of blind, impartial testing or was the decision made based upon the influence of lobbyist and corp. positioning to achieve a market position to benefit some companies bottomline? Has the gov't greenlighted a medical product or procedure before only to learn later it was bad, faulty, etc.? Has gov't mandated vaccines always proven 100% effective and 0% side effects? Ask your doctor to sign a guarantee before taking a vaccine and once how he runs for the exits unless you a really good doctor who will tell you the truth and vaccines. Start probing about vaccines and the link to autism as Jeannie McCarthy has and watch at the response and treatment you'll get. Ask your family doctor why he prescribes Viagra over one of the other 2 (sorry forgot the names) or Lipitor over one of the other cholesteral lowering drugs. For the answer, listen to the B side of Pink Floyd's Darkside of the Moon and the first song. The title speaks volumes!</p><p></p><p>Chasing this mother and her son may have much more to do with market protectionism than the health and wellbeing of that young man! Contrary to American mythology, we've have socialized (corporatism) medicine for years in this country and the brew ha isn't over having or not having socialized medicine but rather what corporate factions and business model will control it!</p><p></p><p>Then again, just take the blue pill and I won't exist, you'll have no memory of this and all will be well!</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/peaceful.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":peaceful:" title="Peaceful :peaceful:" data-shortname=":peaceful:" /></p><p></p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/emoticons/money.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":money:" title="Money :money:" data-shortname=":money:" /> Send me the taxbill moreluck!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 537171, member: 2189"] I know this can be a very emotionally charged subject from so many different directions and each has valid points. The clear choice would only seem clear from a cetain POV and I understand that. A couple of posters pointed out the expertise of scienctific study/testing/etc. and it's hard to argue that point. Ah but lest I try.:happy-very: I just happen to run across [URL='https://web.archive.org/web/20120508060846/http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig10/deutsch1.html'][COLOR=red]this[/COLOR][/URL] written by an 87 year old who has a Ph.d. in biochemistry and holds more than 60 patents (US and Foreign) and most concern medical diagnostic tests. One might well say, this gentleman could easily qualify as being "expert" in the scientific field and who can doubt his medical expertise since his many patents aplly to that field. Now, that said consider his observation concerning lab testing as it might apply to drugs or even formats of medical treatment. Now his comments pertain to the link between heart disease and saturated fats but what about in our discussion as it pertains to cancer and the standard prescibed accepted treatment from so many so-called experts? I've heard for example some talk that the mother and son headed to Mexico for alternative treatment. I don't know if true or not but if true, it does shoot holes in the idea that the mother is withholding treatment from her son. But you say those alternative ideas like treating cancer with vitamins is stupid. Really? Better tell the [URL='http://www.cancer.gov/newscenter/pressreleases/SELECTQandA'][COLOR=red]National Cancer Institute[/COLOR][/URL] as they right now are studying just such a link. Back in the 80's, some really nutty doctors and wacky alternative medicine types pointed out the [URL='http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-02/sri-ssc020609.php'][COLOR=red]chrystalline structure[/COLOR] [/URL]of cancer and it being a virus. Now my father has advance degrees in animal husbandry and if you ever want to know about viruses, don't ask your family MD, ask you family vet. I remember when this stuff was floating around and I didn't make heads nor tails of it but I remember my Dad uttering a really big "AH HA!" when he heard it. When it finally came out about the link between cervical cancer and a virus, I remembered those wack, nut doctors from the 80's and also seeing my dad smile and saying, "now that makes sense!" Now as we speak, more and more traditonal medicine is looking at this [URL='https://web.archive.org/web/20090412060230/http://www2.mdanderson.org/depts/oncolog/articles/04/1-jan/1-04-2.html'][COLOR=red]viral[/COLOR][/URL] link that 20 to 30 years ago was considered as nutty as the idea that George Bush and Dick Cheney flew the jets into the WTC personally on 9/11. Would any of you be upset if the mother had taken the boy to England for treatment at say the [URL='http://www.doveclinic.com/default.htm'][COLOR=red]DoveClinic[/COLOR][/URL] which is an accepted medical treatment facility that uses various vitamin [URL='http://www.canceractive.com/page.php?n=470'][COLOR=red]regimens[/COLOR][/URL] to treat cancer? No problem you say? They don't use chemo or radiation and yet in the socialist medicine world of England they operate quite nicely. :surprised: So much for the myth of free market medicine in America. :wink2: Why Vitamin C? Ah, the virus connection again. Understand the [URL='http://www.commoncold.org/undrstn3.htm'][COLOR=red]common cold[/COLOR][/URL] and you may solve the riddle of cancer. Each cell's health may be the secret and [URL='http://recipes.howstuffworks.com/vitamin-c1.htm'][COLOR=red]vitamin C[/COLOR][/URL] may be that health. Vitamin C as it turns out strenghtens the outter cell casing making it hard for a virus receptor to penetrate and infect the cell. As much as I dislike the over the top political fascism of Mike Savage, he is an expert when it comes to homopathy and alternative treatments and if I know he's talking this, I'm tuned in and well worth the listen. Everything else is just BLAH! So for the experts advocating chemo/radiation, you can also point out experts advocating otherwise and for other alternative means so who decides? The gov't! But here's the question everyone has to ask themselves abut the gov't blessed means of medical care. Was the ultimate decision made based off of imperical scientific proof of blind, impartial testing or was the decision made based upon the influence of lobbyist and corp. positioning to achieve a market position to benefit some companies bottomline? Has the gov't greenlighted a medical product or procedure before only to learn later it was bad, faulty, etc.? Has gov't mandated vaccines always proven 100% effective and 0% side effects? Ask your doctor to sign a guarantee before taking a vaccine and once how he runs for the exits unless you a really good doctor who will tell you the truth and vaccines. Start probing about vaccines and the link to autism as Jeannie McCarthy has and watch at the response and treatment you'll get. Ask your family doctor why he prescribes Viagra over one of the other 2 (sorry forgot the names) or Lipitor over one of the other cholesteral lowering drugs. For the answer, listen to the B side of Pink Floyd's Darkside of the Moon and the first song. The title speaks volumes! Chasing this mother and her son may have much more to do with market protectionism than the health and wellbeing of that young man! Contrary to American mythology, we've have socialized (corporatism) medicine for years in this country and the brew ha isn't over having or not having socialized medicine but rather what corporate factions and business model will control it! Then again, just take the blue pill and I won't exist, you'll have no memory of this and all will be well! :happy-very: :peaceful: :money: Send me the taxbill moreluck! [/QUOTE]
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