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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 1808312" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Thus continuing</p><p></p><p><a href="http://theantimedia.org/declassified-pentagon-report-proves-us-helped-create-isis/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 22px"><span style="color: #ff0000"><strong>Declassified Pentagon Report Proves US Helped Create ISIS</strong></span></span></a></p><p></p><p>At what point are we willing to consider that the State is not a public good but rather in opposition too and has been so historically?</p><p></p><p>Think of Bolivia in comparison to the United States gov't as a kind of small community and then what begins to occur once that community is granted its own autonomy from the centralized imperial state so to speak? </p><p></p><p>Using Baba's example of the rancher, do we dare ask or consider that environmental degradation (which I agree is occurring) is doing so not for lack of state control but as a result of state control? Over the last half century, environmental rules and regulations have exploded and yet we are told that the environment is in such peril today that mass extinction on some level is imminent. Based on performance I'd suggest a doubling of current rules and regulations would only speed up the extinction process. But then I don't buy the apocalyptic prophets to begin with and see the cries like the prophetic preachers on Sunday who know such sermons fill the offering plate and empower said preacher with better job security.</p><p></p><p>Do we dare consider that environmental control being a result of regulatory capture from day one used to circumvent local interests and autonomy who might dare stand in the way of the centralized corporatist economy? Do centralized environmental controls work as much to control economic competition and instead work to assure success of a centralized economic policy written mostly by certain privileged corp. interests? (not unlike ObamaCare I might add) </p><p></p><p>Do we dare consider that actual local community and individual actions in contrast to the central state (often in opposition) might actual create benefits for both man and nature? Do local folk (who form communities)have a vested interest in environmental quality of life? I've yet to meet any thinking person on either political side (and I've met a lot) who advocates we "friend Up" the environment for the sake of doing so. </p><p></p><p>At what point do we begin to see this <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ff0000"><strong>technocracy </strong></span></a>experiment for the failure that it really is and begin to ponder the questions of going in a whole other direction? A direction determined by the very people and the place in which they live and a respect for their autonomy to choose the manner which best suits them? What might happen if 1000's of communities across America followed Bolivia's lead with the DEA in regards to our own drug problem and took control on how to address the problem themselves? What if local folk dared to challenge the authority of the central state and for example <a href="http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2012a/commsumm.nsf/b4a3962433b52fa787256e5f00670a71/9de11d2e6d488830872579f20066f1d1/$FILE/120502AttachF.pdf" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ff0000"><strong>plant prohibited species </strong></span></a>as a means to both soil and water remediation? What if people got the bright idea of taking on climate change themselves locally and found multiple answers in a <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2014/sep/25/hemp-wood-fibre-construction-climate-change" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ff0000"><strong>single solution</strong></span></a> yet it violated Central Command and its well connected economic interests?</p><p></p><p>At what point do we dare take an honest look and step back and ponder that most difficult of questions, have we been wrong all along? The better question might be, have we misplaced our loyalties (well intended maybe) or tricked into doing so in the wrong direction for solutions when the best solutions are found in the very people that live, work and play all around us every day?</p><p></p><p>Instead of "gov't run everything" we began to have "community run things" where 1000's of ideas and methods are tried and tested for the 1000's of problems that will always exist and effect us?</p><p></p><p>What if that in itself was the real "Free Market"? <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 1808312, member: 2189"] Thus continuing [URL='http://theantimedia.org/declassified-pentagon-report-proves-us-helped-create-isis/'][SIZE=6][COLOR=#ff0000][B]Declassified Pentagon Report Proves US Helped Create ISIS[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL] At what point are we willing to consider that the State is not a public good but rather in opposition too and has been so historically? Think of Bolivia in comparison to the United States gov't as a kind of small community and then what begins to occur once that community is granted its own autonomy from the centralized imperial state so to speak? Using Baba's example of the rancher, do we dare ask or consider that environmental degradation (which I agree is occurring) is doing so not for lack of state control but as a result of state control? Over the last half century, environmental rules and regulations have exploded and yet we are told that the environment is in such peril today that mass extinction on some level is imminent. Based on performance I'd suggest a doubling of current rules and regulations would only speed up the extinction process. But then I don't buy the apocalyptic prophets to begin with and see the cries like the prophetic preachers on Sunday who know such sermons fill the offering plate and empower said preacher with better job security. Do we dare consider that environmental control being a result of regulatory capture from day one used to circumvent local interests and autonomy who might dare stand in the way of the centralized corporatist economy? Do centralized environmental controls work as much to control economic competition and instead work to assure success of a centralized economic policy written mostly by certain privileged corp. interests? (not unlike ObamaCare I might add) Do we dare consider that actual local community and individual actions in contrast to the central state (often in opposition) might actual create benefits for both man and nature? Do local folk (who form communities)have a vested interest in environmental quality of life? I've yet to meet any thinking person on either political side (and I've met a lot) who advocates we "friend Up" the environment for the sake of doing so. At what point do we begin to see this [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy'][COLOR=#ff0000][B]technocracy [/B][/COLOR][/URL]experiment for the failure that it really is and begin to ponder the questions of going in a whole other direction? A direction determined by the very people and the place in which they live and a respect for their autonomy to choose the manner which best suits them? What might happen if 1000's of communities across America followed Bolivia's lead with the DEA in regards to our own drug problem and took control on how to address the problem themselves? What if local folk dared to challenge the authority of the central state and for example [URL='http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2012a/commsumm.nsf/b4a3962433b52fa787256e5f00670a71/9de11d2e6d488830872579f20066f1d1/$FILE/120502AttachF.pdf'][COLOR=#ff0000][B]plant prohibited species [/B][/COLOR][/URL]as a means to both soil and water remediation? What if people got the bright idea of taking on climate change themselves locally and found multiple answers in a [URL='http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2014/sep/25/hemp-wood-fibre-construction-climate-change'][COLOR=#ff0000][B]single solution[/B][/COLOR][/URL] yet it violated Central Command and its well connected economic interests? At what point do we dare take an honest look and step back and ponder that most difficult of questions, have we been wrong all along? The better question might be, have we misplaced our loyalties (well intended maybe) or tricked into doing so in the wrong direction for solutions when the best solutions are found in the very people that live, work and play all around us every day? Instead of "gov't run everything" we began to have "community run things" where 1000's of ideas and methods are tried and tested for the 1000's of problems that will always exist and effect us? What if that in itself was the real "Free Market"? ;) [/QUOTE]
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