Gun control advocates in Ferguson MO

wkmac

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Obama snubbed Ferguson cops, instead invited Sharpton to White House summit
President Obama didn’t invite any police officers from Ferguson, Missouri, to White House meetings that were aimed at solving unrest over the police shooting of a black teen in that town.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/2/ferguson-police-werent-invited-white-house-meeting/

Actually this makes sense. It's not the cops who need to be corralled/controlled, especially and mostly for political reasons.

And in the case of Ferguson it would make even more sense. You see at the City-Data website on Ferguson, I discovered something very interesting. In the 2000' election cycle, Ferguson voted 60% to 40% in favor of the republican party. Very interesting.
 

oldngray

nowhere special
Actually this makes sense. It's not the cops who need to be corralled/controlled, especially and mostly for political reasons.

And in the case of Ferguson it would make even more sense. You see at the City-Data website on Ferguson, I discovered something very interesting. In the 2000' election cycle, Ferguson voted 60% to 40% in favor of the republican party. Very interesting.

The cops need to be controlled? Was it the cops who were rioting?
 

wkmac

Well-Known Member
Walmart is a manifestation of a broken system. Walmart itself is not the root cause nor the sole problem for that matter. But that doesn't expunge Walmart as a contributor to the larger problem.

My job requires of me at times to use root cause failure analysis to discover the root cause of a problem or failure and the same is true of Walmart or other corp. interests as it relates to power and control and their effects on society as a whole.

To discover the root causes, one first should always follow the money to some degree.

Some food for thought: How to do Power Structure Research by Professor William Domhoff, UC Santa Cruz

From the above:

Before I begin, I want to stress that the methodological approach outlined in this document makes it possible to discover any concentration or configuration of power. Researchers of any theoretical persuasion can use it because it is not biased for or against any given theory. It contains only one assumption: there is a power structure of some kind or another, no matter how weak or fragmented, in any large-scale society or social group. The method can discover that power is highly concentrated or more dispersed, depending on the degree of difference between rival networks on the power indicators. It can show that some groups or classes have power in one arena, some in another arena. It can reveal changes in a power structure over time by changes in the power indicators. In the United States it usually has led to corporate power structures at the national level and landowner/developer/real estate power structures at the local level, but the results could be different for other countries and they are sometimes different for cities in the United States.

For what it's worth.
 

moreluck

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realbrown1

Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
Walmart is a manifestation of a broken system. Walmart itself is not the root cause nor the sole problem for that matter. But that doesn't expunge Walmart as a contributor to the larger problem.

My job requires of me at times to use root cause failure analysis to discover the root cause of a problem or failure and the same is true of Walmart or other corp. interests as it relates to power and control and their effects on society as a whole.

To discover the root causes, one first should always follow the money to some degree.

Some food for thought: How to do Power Structure Research by Professor William Domhoff, UC Santa Cruz

From the above:



For what it's worth.
So the executives at Wal-mart are not guilty of the crimes in which you insinuated that they have done.

Typical of the TROLL PATROL. Make false accusations at the opposition in hope that you won't be called out on it.
 

wkmac

Well-Known Member
So the executives at Wal-mart are not guilty of the crimes in which you insinuated that they have done.

Typical of the TROLL PATROL. Make false accusations at the opposition in hope that you won't be called out on it.

Could you please quote a post that I made where I "insinuated" that Walmart executives are guilty of anything? Please be specific.

If my comment that Walmart is a manifestation of a broken system is what set you off, it's also true of UPS, Oil companies, drug companies, banks, etc. It's called lobbying and also writing legislation to which they (Corp. interests) benefit while even better if it harms their competition.

Using the State is not what free market economics is about albeit it's abusers (vocal advocates who claim it) today have seem to make it so. Using the taxpayer as the means of last resort or to externalize costs while internalizing profits breeds the worst in business and not the best while making the State into it's worst form. Thus once again, Walmart et al are a manifestation of a broken system and I stand by that.

Just so you know and for the record, I would call myself a market anarchist who believes in wide open or radical freed markets who also sees the State as useless, harmful and should be abolished and done away with. Every one of the "so-called" troll patrol are at complete odds with me on this position and have flatly stated so on many, many occasions. My guess will be that concerning my position, you would also agree with them (troll patrol) generally speaking. Thus seems to me you have more in common with the "troll patrol" than I do.

Back to Walmart, I have pointed out the fact that 26% of Walmart's grocery revenue (gross revs.) are from Food Stamp sales. Thus it would seem to follow that Walmart would not be interested in a major change in Food Stamps as it would effect their bottom line profits.

Further supported by the idea that food stamps are administered and regulated by the Dept. of Agriculture which in turn has been fully captured and controlled by Corp. farming and food distribution interests. Monsanto, Archer Daniels Midland, Walmart and Tyson alone are powerful players in these circles and hold huge sway in the corridors of power. So is big oil as petro-chemicals make big agra in its industrialized manifestation possible. This overlaps in the Dept. of Energy as well as Commerce. Go to OpenSecrets website and look where their money flows, to who and then where these people sit on Congressional committee and oversight. Hmmmmm!

Thus food stamps are nothing more in economic terms but a mechanism to mop up excess surplus in a very cartelized industry which then act as a price support to keep prices up, this profits up. Just because it's draped in a seeming noble cause doesn't mean the power structure have empathy and caring at heart or as a bottom line. They don't.

Now if you mean something like that, well then I guess I have insinuated such. Insinuated hell, I flat out mean it and have said it!

If that's true and this be my crime, it would thus follow that you defend the food stamp program and all those who profit from it. I'm one side so you are on the other. Why do you out of of one side of your mouth decry those are on welfare while at the same time blindly defend those who profit from it and even perpetuate it?

You've advocated that you would allow welfare for a maximum of 2 years. So for 2 years you would allow the redistribution of wealth taken from one individual by force who is not privileged in the eyes of the State and then transfer that money (redistribute) over to a privileged person (I used the term person instead of individual for a reason) in the eyes of the State. Wealth transfer regardless of reason or time duration is a hallmark point in defining any socialist, as least as it pertains to state socialism which I call statism. So you must be a socialist. A 2 year socialist but a socialist none the less. Oh boy, here comes the "you don't know what socialism is" argument. ;) Go back and look at that link to Henri de Saint Simon again. You'll also begin to see how the Walmarts of the world came to be socialist.

Using Walmart again, Walmart is a socialist for example as local tax funds are extracted by force from the haves, even the little Mom and Pop stores they ultimately shutter out of business and then use those welfare transfers for traffic and other improvements to benefit Walmart's customer convenience which adds too their bottom line. Another form of externalizing costs. And yes, UPS enjoys similar benefits as well. Not to mention the fact that both UPS and Walmart among others use the US Military as a type Pinkerton agency to police and protect the global transit lanes by which they do business while helping to extend US hegemony, a form of socialism by any other name. Who pays for that again?

As to me being of the troll patrol, OK but to me you are a socialist. And we seem to now have our proof too, don't we.

As I also said before, Root Cause.

RB, if you want to run with the Big Dogs, do your homework. Otherwise, stay on the porch!

I look forward to your ad homs, straw men, etc. which are sure to follow.
 

realbrown1

Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
Could you please quote a post that I made where I "insinuated" that Walmart executives are guilty of anything? Please be specific.

If my comment that Walmart is a manifestation of a broken system is what set you off, it's also true of UPS, Oil companies, drug companies, banks, etc. It's called lobbying and also writing legislation to which they (Corp. interests) benefit while even better if it harms their competition.

Using the State is not what free market economics is about albeit it's abusers (vocal advocates who claim it) today have seem to make it so. Using the taxpayer as the means of last resort or to externalize costs while internalizing profits breeds the worst in business and not the best while making the State into it's worst form. Thus once again, Walmart et al are a manifestation of a broken system and I stand by that.

Just so you know and for the record, I would call myself a market anarchist who believes in wide open or radical freed markets who also sees the State as useless, harmful and should be abolished and done away with. Every one of the "so-called" troll patrol are at complete odds with me on this position and have flatly stated so on many, many occasions. My guess will be that concerning my position, you would also agree with them (troll patrol) generally speaking. Thus seems to me you have more in common with the "troll patrol" than I do.

Back to Walmart, I have pointed out the fact that 26% of Walmart's grocery revenue (gross revs.) are from Food Stamp sales. Thus it would seem to follow that Walmart would not be interested in a major change in Food Stamps as it would effect their bottom line profits.

Further supported by the idea that food stamps are administered and regulated by the Dept. of Agriculture which in turn has been fully captured and controlled by Corp. farming and food distribution interests. Monsanto, Archer Daniels Midland, Walmart and Tyson alone are powerful players in these circles and hold huge sway in the corridors of power. So is big oil as petro-chemicals make big agra in its industrialized manifestation possible. This overlaps in the Dept. of Energy as well as Commerce. Go to OpenSecrets website and look where their money flows, to who and then where these people sit on Congressional committee and oversight. Hmmmmm!

Thus food stamps are nothing more in economic terms but a mechanism to mop up excess surplus in a very cartelized industry which then act as a price support to keep prices up, this profits up. Just because it's draped in a seeming noble cause doesn't mean the power structure have empathy and caring at heart or as a bottom line. They don't.

Now if you mean something like that, well then I guess I have insinuated such. Insinuated hell, I flat out mean it and have said it!

If that's true and this be my crime, it would thus follow that you defend the food stamp program and all those who profit from it. I'm one side so you are on the other. Why do you out of of one side of your mouth decry those are on welfare while at the same time blindly defend those who profit from it and even perpetuate it?

You've advocated that you would allow welfare for a maximum of 2 years. So for 2 years you would allow the redistribution of wealth taken from one individual by force who is not privileged in the eyes of the State and then transfer that money (redistribute) over to a privileged person (I used the term person instead of individual for a reason) in the eyes of the State. Wealth transfer regardless of reason or time duration is a hallmark point in defining any socialist, as least as it pertains to state socialism which I call statism. So you must be a socialist. A 2 year socialist but a socialist none the less. Oh boy, here comes the "you don't know what socialism is" argument. ;) Go back and look at that link to Henri de Saint Simon again. You'll also begin to see how the Walmarts of the world came to be socialist.

Using Walmart again, Walmart is a socialist for example as local tax funds are extracted by force from the haves, even the little Mom and Pop stores they ultimately shutter out of business and then use those welfare transfers for traffic and other improvements to benefit Walmart's customer convenience which adds too their bottom line. Another form of externalizing costs. And yes, UPS enjoys similar benefits as well. Not to mention the fact that both UPS and Walmart among others use the US Military as a type Pinkerton agency to police and protect the global transit lanes by which they do business while helping to extend US hegemony, a form of socialism by any other name. Who pays for that again?

As to me being of the troll patrol, OK but to me you are a socialist. And we seem to now have our proof too, don't we.

As I also said before, Root Cause.

RB, if you want to run with the Big Dogs, do your homework. Otherwise, stay on the porch!

I look forward to your ad homs, straw men, etc. which are sure to follow.
Do you remember typing this:

Walmart is a manifestation of a broken system. Walmart itself is not the root cause nor the sole problem for that matter. But that doesn't expunge Walmart as a contributor to the larger problem.
You are saying that Walmart executives are doing something wrong. I would say you are also saying that Walmart is doing something immoral.

You typed that. So again, what crimes have the executives at Walmart commit?

Or are you just going to the TROLL PATROL shuffle and just bs us some more.
 

Catatonic

Nine Lives
Do you remember typing this:

Walmart is a manifestation of a broken system. Walmart itself is not the root cause nor the sole problem for that matter. But that doesn't expunge Walmart as a contributor to the larger problem.
You are saying that Walmart executives are doing something wrong. I would say you are also saying that Walmart is doing something immoral.

You typed that. So again, what crimes have the executives at Walmart commit?

Or are you just going to the TROLL PATROL shuffle and just bs us some more.
A rather slacker reply IMO.
It appears you just did the TP shuffle! LOL
 

realbrown1

Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
A rather slacker reply IMO.
It appears you just did the TP shuffle! LOL
Really? He has been dissing rich people and big corporations on here with the rest of the Trolls. Claiming that they are just as guilty as the looters in Ferguson.
And what proof does he provide for these slanders when called out?
"Show me where I ever accused Walmart of be guilty of anything?"
Can you not read what I copied and pasted from one of his previous posts? (Hint: it's in red) He has been talking smack on Walmart and other corporations for a while now. With no evidence to back up anything. Nada, zipp, zilcho, I.E. not a shred of evidence.
But thank you for getting involved in our conversation Mr. Helper.
 

superballs63

Well-Known Troll
Troll
.....I love Walmart, my local grocery store no longer carries Quaker oatmeal straberries and cream flavor, but walmart does and it's cheap too :D
 
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