Have you heard of the Orion System, what do you know?

[soberups]

It is a bit confusing because one looks at UPS in a positive way and speaks about how to get the job done while the other hates UPS and lashes out all the time.

I dont hate UPS. Once again you display your total inability to distinguish hatred from honest criticism.

What I do hate...is policies that put well meaning employees (this includes management) in the "no win" situation that I have repeatedly criticized on this forum. It cant be good for the long term well being of a company when its people are forced to make stupid decisions, motivated by fear, in a futile attempt to avoid generating whatever negative metric happens to be the current flavor of the week.

 

[Catatonic]

Once again you display your total inability to distinguish hatred from honest criticism.

I guess I can't argue with that.

 

[tonyexpress]

Best post of the year on Brown Cafe. Somebody ought to engrave this on a plaque and hang it on Scott Davis's wall.

A new signature line up for grabs...

 

[Anonymous 10]

I can't wait to check this thread out later.

 

[Anonymous 10]

Perhaps I misread this but I don't think brownIEman was agreeing with you but was rather pointing out your flawed logic.

Sobers not a maroon. I think he knows that.

 

[Anonymous 10]

It is a bit confusing because one looks at UPS in a positive way and speaks about how to get the job done while the other hates UPS and lashes out all the time.

I'm a lot like sober and we don't hate this company. We just see service going out the window for a number that keeps getting more and more unattainable.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

I'm a lot like sober and we don't hate this company. We just see service going out the window for a number that keeps getting more and more unattainable.

You are nothing like Sober.

 

[Re-Raise]

I am still trying to make rural remote work.

 

[Anonymous 10]

You are nothing like Sober.

I'm praying for you Dave. I hope you find some kind of happiness.

 

[brownmonster]

I am still trying to make rural remote work.

With all of this technology I would not be surprised if it came back in some form. The system could remove the rocks instead of it being at the drivers discretion.

 

[soberups]

A driver on another center in my building was brought into the office last week and threatened with discipline for failing to generate an 88% ORION compliance metric after having been told to do so.

I, on the other hand, have never followed ORION nor have I been instructed to do so. Its been in place on my route since August, and I am routinely the worst in the center in terms of compliance yet I routinely beat ORIONS projected mileage by as much as 30 miles.

We have drivers who are harassed over ORION compliance one day, then when they go ahead and generate the demanded metric they are immediately harassed over the resultant drop in SPORH. They cant win. No matter what they do it is wrong. There is a huge push from Corporate on the adjacent center to generate a center-wide ORION compliance of something like 90%. The warning letters are flying and its getting really nasty over there. God forbid we focus our energies on stuff that actually matters like preparing for the upcoming peak season. Nope...to hell with common sense or safety or taking care of the customers...lets just chase a number.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

I'm praying for you Dave. I hope you find some kind of happiness.

Does laughing my ass off at you thinking you are anything like Sober count as being happy? If so, I am ecstatic.

 

[Re-Raise]

They told us at the pcm the other day that we were getting it soon. I raised my hand and asked them how long I had to pretend to follow it before I could start completely ignoring it.

 

[Catatonic]

They told us at the pcm the other day that we were getting it soon. I raised my hand and asked them how long I had to pretend to follow it before I could start completely ignoring it.

​Did they let you re-raise your hand?

 

[JL 0513]

A driver on another center in my building was brought into the office last week and threatened with discipline for failing to generate an 88% ORION compliance metric after having been told to do so.

I, on the other hand, have never followed ORION nor have I been instructed to do so. Its been in place on my route since August, and I am routinely the worst in the center in terms of compliance yet I routinely beat ORIONS projected mileage by as much as 30 miles.

We have drivers who are harassed over ORION compliance one day, then when they go ahead and generate the demanded metric they are immediately harassed over the resultant drop in SPORH. They cant win. No matter what they do it is wrong. There is a huge push from Corporate on the adjacent center to generate a center-wide ORION compliance of something like 90%. The warning letters are flying and its getting really nasty over there. God forbid we focus our energies on stuff that actually matters like preparing for the upcoming peak season. Nope...to hell with common sense or safety or taking care of the customers...lets just chase a number.

My center isn't using ORION yet and I'm not looking forward to it coming. It seems like a mess. More backs, more miles, ect...Everything they tell us to reduce. I didn't realize there was a metric goal to go along with it. That's ridiculous. Imagine if there was a metric with following EDD? My days would be 2 hours longer.

 

[jumpman23]

Another waste of millions of dollars. I guess ups is getting desperate for more new tax writeoffs lol.

 

[barnyard]

Imagine if there was a metric with following EDD? My days would be 2 hours longer.

There is.

When we 1st got it, we were told to be within 80%. It mattered until it no longer mattered. It might matter again someday.

 

[Indecisi0n]

A driver on another center in my building was brought into the office last week and threatened with discipline for failing to generate an 88% ORION compliance metric after having been told to do so.

I, on the other hand, have never followed ORION nor have I been instructed to do so. Its been in place on my route since August, and I am routinely the worst in the center in terms of compliance yet I routinely beat ORIONS projected mileage by as much as 30 miles.

We have drivers who are harassed over ORION compliance one day, then when they go ahead and generate the demanded metric they are immediately harassed over the resultant drop in SPORH. They cant win. No matter what they do it is wrong. There is a huge push from Corporate on the adjacent center to generate a center-wide ORION compliance of something like 90%. The warning letters are flying and its getting really nasty over there. God forbid we focus our energies on stuff that actually matters like preparing for the upcoming peak season. Nope...to hell with common sense or safety or taking care of the customers...lets just chase a number.

Easy fix. Get shop steward and have them direct you in front of him that you must follow Orion 100%. Next day when you Orion looks good but numbers tank and they change their minds. Then Get your steward again to have them tell you to improve your SPORH. Just keep going round and round and they will catch on. They leave me alone now.

 

[brownIEman]

Another waste of millions of dollars. I guess ups is getting desperate for more new tax writeoffs lol.

except that it is working... In the centers that it is implemented in so far, miles have been reduced, stops per mile increased and overall paid day reduced. It is saving millions. Go figure.

 

[brownIEman]

A driver on another center in my building was brought into the office last week and threatened with discipline for failing to generate an 88% ORION compliance metric after having been told to do so.

I, on the other hand, have never followed ORION nor have I been instructed to do so. Its been in place on my route since August, and I am routinely the worst in the center in terms of compliance yet I routinely beat ORIONS projected mileage by as much as 30 miles.

We have drivers who are harassed over ORION compliance one day, then when they go ahead and generate the demanded metric they are immediately harassed over the resultant drop in SPORH. They cant win. No matter what they do it is wrong. There is a huge push from Corporate on the adjacent center to generate a center-wide ORION compliance of something like 90%. The warning letters are flying and its getting really nasty over there. God forbid we focus our energies on stuff that actually matters like preparing for the upcoming peak season. Nope...to hell with common sense or safety or taking care of the customers...lets just chase a number.

I suspect the folks in your center do not want to deal with you any longer, and have put your route designation under RDO, so that while ORION does generate a solution your results are not folded into the centers ORION scorecard. Otherwise your center team is not looking at your solution - something in your settings are screwed up if you can routinely beat ORION by as much as 30 miles. Did you get implementation rides or did they just sorta through ORION on your route without riding for 3 days?