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<blockquote data-quote="TUT" data-source="post: 1170587" data-attributes="member: 29298"><p>Hmm.... amazing. I see it quite different. Control is also a funny word, depends on what you are trying to control. To think one side is more guilty or innocent overall is probably naive. I would just as well call it even. GUILTY. And trying two new contestants. We've been lied to, too many times. Trust should and is gone, they made their own beds.</p><p></p><p>So it comes down to what does each side want to control at its core? </p><p></p><p>The thing is what is the core? </p><p></p><p>Is it human rights vs corporate rights? (which I think that is the start of everything else as it is economy and making day to day bearable), which side is more human rights? Which side is more corporate rights? Is there a debate here?</p><p></p><p>Is it religious rights vs non-religious rights? I don't care about those, unless I am forced to do one or not do one, just as long as I have choice there, I don't care nothing more about it than that. (Slightly LIBS)</p><p></p><p>Is it sexual rights? I don't care much about that as long as I can make my own choice. (LIBS)</p><p></p><p>Is it gun rights? No one is saying no guns, it is the degree that is being debated. I am all for hunting and responsible ownership. I can get behind certain types being illegal and limiting mag size. But overall not a huge deal to me, just as long it is somewhere in there. (Slightly LIBS because they aren't saying at all get rid of guns, the other side has grenades and tanks being possible talking points for ownership, yeah.)</p><p></p><p>Abortion, I'm for the person having the choice. I also don't buy into the Conservatives and the God pushing part here. They have no problem with war and making huge profits off war machines. They have no problem with blood flowing in the least. (LIBS)</p><p></p><p>I don't see Libs saying you cannot have your values and your traditions. They are just saying what you value and such doesn't mean I have to follow that and I'm allowed to have my own values and traditions. I am totally in favor of that line of thinking. We are a melting pot, we are different, we cannot think every is alike. (LIBS)</p><p></p><p>Health insurance for all? I think it is noble. It isn't a Utopian dream either, since many successful countries do have it. I'm for everyone vs not (pseudo). (LIBS)</p><p></p><p>Immigration. I am for a controlled boarder. Both sides seem to agree, it's just how doing it is debated. Am I for amnesty of the one's here or sending them back? I could go either way, but I think one is possible and the other isn't and sitting here with our thumbs up our bums doing nothing is stupid and self serving to some. So that mean amnesty wins. (LIBS)</p><p></p><p>I am for balancing a checkbook and staying within means. That is more conservative in nature or popular thinking. But I think most responsible people on both sides want that. The stigma with the libs are the welfare/system reliant one's. I do balance that with corporate welfare and face it any denomination has people working the system. But lets call it functional, good people that are libs or conservs. I think all these people believe in balanced checkbooks and staying within one's boundaries. I call this a push.</p><p></p><p>I am against closed mindedness. Biter/anger under-tones. "I did it like this... you should to" thoughts. I am against "this is what I think and so should you" I do find these more conservative in nature. I really want people to live by what they say and know. "People are different"... since we all say that, RESPECT IT! or stop saying that and say "We are all the same", which we know is untrue.</p><p></p><p>I see almost all issues are issues because "People are different". I don't see how we can make it "People are all the same" so we best figure out the best plan knowing "People are different".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TUT, post: 1170587, member: 29298"] Hmm.... amazing. I see it quite different. Control is also a funny word, depends on what you are trying to control. To think one side is more guilty or innocent overall is probably naive. I would just as well call it even. GUILTY. And trying two new contestants. We've been lied to, too many times. Trust should and is gone, they made their own beds. So it comes down to what does each side want to control at its core? The thing is what is the core? Is it human rights vs corporate rights? (which I think that is the start of everything else as it is economy and making day to day bearable), which side is more human rights? Which side is more corporate rights? Is there a debate here? Is it religious rights vs non-religious rights? I don't care about those, unless I am forced to do one or not do one, just as long as I have choice there, I don't care nothing more about it than that. (Slightly LIBS) Is it sexual rights? I don't care much about that as long as I can make my own choice. (LIBS) Is it gun rights? No one is saying no guns, it is the degree that is being debated. I am all for hunting and responsible ownership. I can get behind certain types being illegal and limiting mag size. But overall not a huge deal to me, just as long it is somewhere in there. (Slightly LIBS because they aren't saying at all get rid of guns, the other side has grenades and tanks being possible talking points for ownership, yeah.) Abortion, I'm for the person having the choice. I also don't buy into the Conservatives and the God pushing part here. They have no problem with war and making huge profits off war machines. They have no problem with blood flowing in the least. (LIBS) I don't see Libs saying you cannot have your values and your traditions. They are just saying what you value and such doesn't mean I have to follow that and I'm allowed to have my own values and traditions. I am totally in favor of that line of thinking. We are a melting pot, we are different, we cannot think every is alike. (LIBS) Health insurance for all? I think it is noble. It isn't a Utopian dream either, since many successful countries do have it. I'm for everyone vs not (pseudo). (LIBS) Immigration. I am for a controlled boarder. Both sides seem to agree, it's just how doing it is debated. Am I for amnesty of the one's here or sending them back? I could go either way, but I think one is possible and the other isn't and sitting here with our thumbs up our bums doing nothing is stupid and self serving to some. So that mean amnesty wins. (LIBS) I am for balancing a checkbook and staying within means. That is more conservative in nature or popular thinking. But I think most responsible people on both sides want that. The stigma with the libs are the welfare/system reliant one's. I do balance that with corporate welfare and face it any denomination has people working the system. But lets call it functional, good people that are libs or conservs. I think all these people believe in balanced checkbooks and staying within one's boundaries. I call this a push. I am against closed mindedness. Biter/anger under-tones. "I did it like this... you should to" thoughts. I am against "this is what I think and so should you" I do find these more conservative in nature. I really want people to live by what they say and know. "People are different"... since we all say that, RESPECT IT! or stop saying that and say "We are all the same", which we know is untrue. I see almost all issues are issues because "People are different". I don't see how we can make it "People are all the same" so we best figure out the best plan knowing "People are different". [/QUOTE]
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