UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)

Well-Known Member
You're contention, as I understand it, is that France would not have been conquered by German invasion had its people owned guns and not engaged in various socialist policies (e.g. Popular Front)? Suffice to say, I disagree with that, and I would assume that since you made the contention you agree with it.

In the interest of civility and, truthfully, lacking the personal motivation to engage in a debate on this topic which will more than likely be fruitless for both of us, I agree to disagree.

Did you watch "The Kings Speech"? Although it was based in England, there is a correlation to France in that both countries were ill-prepared and their citizens discounted the possibility of an attack by the Germans. I am not saying that arming the citizens would have made a difference, as it would not have, but the French and English were an easy target for the Nazis.
 

curiousbrain

Well-Known Member
Did you watch "The Kings Speech"? Although it was based in England, there is a correlation to France in that both countries were ill-prepared and their citizens discounted the possibility of an attack by the Germans. I am not saying that arming the citizens would have made a difference, as it would not have, but the French and English were an easy target for the Nazis.

Just finished watching it, actually; was in the middle of it when you asked.

To the point at hand, though, I do agree - the two countries (and perhaps others in Europe and around the world) were blissfully ignorant of the true motives of the Reich, and that made them easy targets; that being said, other world powers were quite tolerant of the threat posed, as well.

The United States, for example, feigned neutrality for quite some time, much to the chagrin of its own European allies (e.g. Britain under Churchill and, dare I say, Russia under Stalin); on the other hand, an undeclared war was waged in the Atlantic that tried to provoke the Reich into making a decision about whether to attack US convoys sailing across the Atlantic, or by not doing so, to accept a continuous stream of supplies crossing said ocean.
 

hubrat

Squeaky Wheel

Yes, I missed him. Different as our opinions are, we probably have a lot in common. I can appreciate his hot-headed belligerence. Short of saying he reminds me of my granddad, my grandmother was a Methodist version of Driving Miss Daisy. I think I could love most anyone. I KNOW I can learn from them!
 

dannyboy

From the promised LAND
First for EZ, guns dont kill people, people kill people. They just happen to find that using a gun is easier. That has been my point to you from the get go. I guess you just need to be thankful not to have a clue as to how many guns are around you on a daily basis. As for reading anything for you, I assume you have the ability to read for yourself. So it would be fruitless.

Brown bag

IT is interesting that on one hand, you agree, but then on the same subject, you disagree. Having a German background, I have had first hand accounts on how the Germans first neutered the military, then went to the court houses to see who had what type of weapons. Then they went house to house gathering all the weapons. Those that did not give them up were shot and the houses burned down.

Contrast that to the statement of General Yamamoto when he stated that he would never ever invade the US mainland because there would be a gun behind every blade of grass. A bit of an overstatement, but still true.

History repeats itself. And peoples that believe that the government will take care of their every need, deserve what they get. The government that is big enough to give you everything, is also big enough to take it all, which they do.

But as you say, we can agree to disagree. I respect your desire not to carry or own one, just like I expect you to respect mine.

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dannyboy

From the promised LAND
BTW, while off topic, welcome back tie. Tried to send you a PM, but since you have not gotten back all your bells and whistles, I will do so in public.

Now back to......what the heck are we discussing....
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dilligaf

IN VINO VERITAS
Sir ,
I can't imagine what idiot would possibly think that guns alone kill people. I know people do so . I see it almost everyday . I avoid those types of people by profiling myself away from those that look like trouble.
I'm a simple woman who has lived a long time by doing so. Knowing it is the person holding the gun does not help me like them.
I see too many innocent schmuck die from guns to ever like them.
Klein......








Just sayin :dont_know:
 

dannyboy

From the promised LAND
Ez
Several years ago, on a Sunday night, we got a call at around 11. IT was the police. They were trying to get hold of my wifes cousin. There had been a shooting.

His mother and father had been helping another couple through rough times. The guys wife had cancer and Uncle Bill and wife had been helping take care of her, including taking her to chemo treatments.

So Sunday evening, they came to Uncle Bill's for a visit. They were sitting in the living room talking about what was going on, when the guy got up, pulled a revolver out of his back pocket and started shooting.

The first shot hit Aunt M in the face, right below her eye. As she toppled, he shot her again, striking her in the arm and chest. In the meantime, Uncle Bill (at 6'4") had gotten up and tried to rush the guy. He shot him all four times, almost point blank. Two in the chest, and two to the face. His jaw was blown apart. He staggered with each shot. But he chased the guy out of the house and locked the door. HE then staggered back to the living room, but collapsed between the couch and the wall. The way he went down saved his life, as it put pressure on the chest wounds.

The guys wife called 911. Her husband later called police to turn himself in, when he could not find anyone home at his ministers house. He had intended to kill his wife, Uncle Bill and Aunt M, and his pastor and family.

Uncle Bill and Aunt M survived, crippled, disfigured. The shooter was out of jail before they got out of rehab. As a matter of fact, he lived on my route, and worked in a local chemical plant, and that was after the shooting.

Uncle Bill was just like you. Before the shooting. Afterward, he had at least 6 guns in the house and one in the car.

So, I respect your views. You can have any you like. And as corny as it sounds, the rights for you to have the views you do were won for you by someone with a gun. And paid for by many of their lives.

Now you have a better idea of where I am coming from.

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Droosies

Member
Uncle Bill and Aunt M survived, crippled, disfigured. The shooter was out of jail before they got out of rehab. As a matter of fact, he lived on my route, and worked in a local chemical plant, and that was after the shooting.

Getting this back on topic....so this guy got a job? With attempted murder on his record? Jesus....why does this make me feel worse?
 

dannyboy

From the promised LAND
Wanna feel worse? Try delivering to the guy, and not being able to say or do anything.

Doo

If I had a business that could afford to pay you a decent wage, I would prob hire you. Notice, I didnt say give you a job. Only a chance.

I hope that makes it a bit easier to take.

Good luck.

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Droosies

Member
If I had a business that could afford to pay you a decent wage, I would prob hire you. Notice, I didnt say give you a job. Only a chance.

This is all people like myself want. I even explained this to the interviewer. I said "Because of my situation, it's exceedingly hard for me to find employment, so I plan on busting my butt to do the best job I can at what ever it is I'm doing." I appreciate the kind words Danny, but sadly you're part of the HUGE minority. You have no idea how disheartening it can be to be job hunting and see "Have you ever been convicted of a felony?" or "Must sucessfully pass a criminal background check" for something like warehouse work. All I'm trying to do is get a honest job so I can have an honest life and not continue to pay for stupid mistakes I made 15 years ago.
 

dannyboy

From the promised LAND
Droo

The problem that you are going through is real. And the younger generation dont have a clue on how serious a small problem now can affect them in the future. One moment of bad judgement or even several.

But by the same token, I have had people I have given jobs to, that have worked out fine, for a while. Then the past rolls in again, and they regress to their former life path.

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Brown paperbag

New Member
I was hired seasonally as a driver helper and worked like 35 hours a week and stayed until about February. I was offered a permanent position, but nothing has came available. Also I'm a first time offender in the state of GA. I had a drug charge, so I was wondering does UPS have stipulations on whether or not they can hire me on part time or? I was offered a permanent position by HR and they were aware of my charge. I was honest with them. I will be off probation in about a year and the charge will be removed off my record. Also when I did work there a driver was delivering Cuban cigars which is illegal, and he has no record and I'm on probation so far as risk why not trust someone on probation for a drug charge if I get any charges I go back to jail you know. I did report the driver and he was in a world full of trouble.
 

UPSGUY72

Well-Known Member
Here are the things though.

1.) I was 17 when the crime occured. I'm now 31.

2.) I did not spend a day in jail. I plea bargained and got 3 years of probation.

3.) I have had no run-ins with the law since then.

Are these things not taken into consideration at all or is it just "Oh well, they have a felony, forget this guy."

Just an update, to the people worried about me stealing things. My offense was non-violent and did not involve theft. Without getting into too many specifics, it wasn't a charge that people would have to worry about me while at work.

So which one is it.

Something with drugs

or

Statutory Rape

If it was the later your SOL
 

stink219

Well-Known Member
Oh, trust me, I don't believe everything I read on here, but I don't disbelieve everything either. I was just saying that I had read it here, not that it was a fact.
Maybe you were mistaken someone discussing Driver's Helpers. The on going joke was that we would hire felons. If you have a felony conviction, don't count on getting the job.
 

FilingBluesFL

Well-Known Member
I had both my half-brothers apply for a job at UPS. One fat and lazy, the other one lean, trim, and in shape, but a felon.

Can you guess which one got the job? Nope, NOT the felon.
 

Hellboy

New Member
As to the difficulty of getting a job due to not being bondable, the government provides for felons to be bonded for $5,000 automatically at no cost to the company.
 

Hellboy

New Member
I just came from an interview today with a Regional HR woman and she acted as though my felony was a non-issue. She said she would have to wait for the background check to come back (5 to 7 days) but then she would email me and direct me to additional forms that would need to be completed. Perhaps their hiring policies change over time.
 
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