I drink your milkshake! a metaphor for capitalism

[newfie]

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when UPS breaks even it is still able to put food on the table for 400,000 plus employee's

when UPS makes a profit it is able to reinvest in its business , grow the business and employ even more people and put food on their tables as its being doing for 109 years.

Through the collective bargaining process with a union representing its employee's ups employee's have been able to benefit from the profitability of UPS without destroying the golden goose that feeds them.

capitalism has worked very well for UPS and its employee's.
now I realize UPS does not fit your narrative but the fact still remains that you are discussing the economics of capitalism on a message board frequented by ups employees.

 

[rickyb]

when UPS breaks even it is still able to put food on the table for 400,000 plus employee's

when UPS makes a profit it is able to reinvest in its business , grow the business and employ even more people and put food on their tables as its being doing for 109 years.

Through the collective bargaining process with a union representing its employee's ups employee's have been able to benefit from the profitability of UPS without destroying the golden goose that feeds them.

capitalism has worked very well for UPS and its employee's.
now I realize UPS does not fit your narrative but the fact still remains that you are discussing the economics of capitalism on a message board frequented by ups employees.

have you seen the comments on this message board about UPS??? LOL

try glassdoor.com - reviews - UPS for more lol.

 

[newfie]

well i have no idea, but I push it because its obvious were making a small minority of the population very rich, its undemocratic taking orders all the time at work, and capitalism is tearing through the worlds resources way too fast and is way too inefficient.

First off you are not part of this country so when you say were you are not part of the we here.

Second Capitalism is not about giving you something you did not earn but giving you the opportunity.
under this system you have the option to either work for someone else and help their profitability or to take on that risk and make yourself the profitable one. you have that opportunity here and there are many examples where people have chosen to take on that risk and make yourself profitable.

 

[newfie]

well i have no idea, but I push it because its obvious were making a small minority of the population very rich, its undemocratic taking orders all the time at work, and capitalism is tearing through the worlds resources way too fast and is way too inefficient.

then start your own business instead of working for someone else

 

[newfie]

have you seen the comments on this message board about UPS??? LOL

try glassdoor.com - reviews - UPS for more lol.

From whom? We talking economics or employee bitches here? I just commented on how collective bargaining gives the
employee's the opportunity to share in the profits of the corporation. are we still on the same topic?

 

[rickyb]

From whom? We talking economics or employee bitches here? I just commented on how collective bargaining gives the
employee's the opportunity to share in the profits of the corporation. are we still on the same topic?

im talking about employee sentiment about UPS.

ironically many of these people will defend capitalism but they dont see how its connected to their toxic workplace culture

 

[rickyb]

First off you are not part of this country so when you say were you are not part of the we here.

Second Capitalism is not about giving you something you did not earn but giving you the opportunity.
under this system you have the option to either work for someone else and help their profitability or to take on that risk and make yourself the profitable one. you have that opportunity here and there are many examples where people have chosen to take on that risk and make yourself profitable.

im talking about the world inequality.

btw standards of living improved under slavery. capital was reinvested in slavery too.

employees take risks too one of them being: what happens when you let someone else (the capitalist) make all the decisions at your job?

 

[rickyb]

then start your own business instead of working for someone else

ok so the slaves should have started their own plantation.

democracy was a radical idea a few hundred years ago. we take it for granted now. democracy at work is a radical idea now.

 

[rickyb]

when UPS breaks even it is still able to put food on the table for 400,000 plus employee's

when UPS makes a profit it is able to reinvest in its business , grow the business and employ even more people and put food on their tables as its being doing for 109 years.

Through the collective bargaining process with a union representing its employee's ups employee's have been able to benefit from the profitability of UPS without destroying the golden goose that feeds them.

capitalism has worked very well for UPS and its employee's.
now I realize UPS does not fit your narrative but the fact still remains that you are discussing the economics of capitalism on a message board frequented by ups employees.

every thing you said here could be said about the big slave plantations. i dont know about unions, but there was certainly bargaining / struggle between slaves and masters.

 

[Babagounj]

And yet slavery still exists today .
So what's the solution ?

 

[Babagounj]

 

[newfie]

im talking about the world inequality.

btw standards of living improved under slavery. capital was reinvested in slavery too.

employees take risks too one of them being: what happens when you let someone else (the capitalist) make all the decisions at your job?

you're letting someone else make the decision at the job as an employee. the owner is allowing you to work there. He sets the terms and you either agree to them or you go find a different job. If the employer does not have good terms that make him competitive then employee's will either not work for him or he will only attract the poorest employees.

 

[newfie]

ok so the slaves should have started their own plantation.

democracy was a radical idea a few hundred years ago. we take it for granted now. democracy at work is a radical idea now.

now you're talking about slavery which has nothing to do with capitalism. Under Capitalism you either agree to work for someone else and work under his terms or you start your own business and take all the risks so you can set the terms.

under socialism there is no incentive for anyone to take that risk knowing the government will then tax you to death and set terms that hinder your ability to remain profitable.

 

[newfie]

every thing you said here could be said about the big slave plantations. i dont know about unions, but there was certainly bargaining / struggle between slaves and masters.

I thought you were talking about capitalism. I don't know anything about slavery and neither do you

your first post under this ID you stated that you were looking to call the corporate folks to complain about your supervisors. Are you now claiming you never worked for us and therefore know nothing about how the unions work at this company?

 

[rickyb]

when UPS breaks even it is still able to put food on the table for 400,000 plus employee's

when UPS makes a profit it is able to reinvest in its business , grow the business and employ even more people and put food on their tables as its being doing for 109 years.

Through the collective bargaining process with a union representing its employee's ups employee's have been able to benefit from the profitability of UPS without destroying the golden goose that feeds them.

capitalism has worked very well for UPS and its employee's.
now I realize UPS does not fit your narrative but the fact still remains that you are discussing the economics of capitalism on a message board frequented by ups employees.

all of this is not justification for capitalism. you can say the same thing about slavery minus the unions. people were fed under slavery. people made profits and reinvested it under slavery. that does not justify slavery and nor should it justify capitalism.

 

[newfie]

all of this is not justification for capitalism. you can say the same thing about slavery minus the unions. people were fed under slavery. people made profits and reinvested it under slavery. that does not justify slavery and nor should it justify capitalism.

so the slaves in this country could have chosen to not work for their plantation owners? What a silly argument

 

[Babagounj]

rickyb,
What the solution then ?
Gov't control ?
Barter system ?
Wild roaming tribes taking anything they want ?
Come on you're a learned person , Just what is the perfect solution ?

 

[1989]

im talking about employee sentiment about UPS.

ironically many of these people will defend capitalism but they dont see how its connected to their toxic workplace culture

The average weekly earnings in the US is about $720 ($920 Canadian)...do you realize you are on a site where many take home twice that?

 

[rickyb]

so the slaves in this country could have chosen to not work for their plantation owners? What a silly argument

now thats a different argument and an important difference between slavery and capitalism. but capitalism and slavery have lots in common like providing food for the workers, profits, etc.

 

[rickyb]

The average weekly earnings in the US is about $720 ($920 Canadian)...do you realize you are on a site where many take home twice that?

yes i do and have u seen all the complaints about ups here? its not even debatable theres lots of problems, im asking why.