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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 417149" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>I'm seeing similar things as well Sortaisle. Good observations on your part. Ron Paul, whether you agree or disagree, opened a lot of peoples eyes as he brought both paleo-liberals and paleo-conservatives along with a cross section of various libertarian types together but once he was done, there was no 3rd party figure that was able to maintain those factions together. The only hope is now for the combined 3rd party vote to total towards the 20% mark but not sure if that will happen. It will come down to election day and when people step in to vote.</p><p> </p><p>Towards 2012' however, there is a growing undercurrent of transpartisanship among paleo-libs and paleo-cons as they both realize the Super State has grown to big. Both understand now the best place to govern society is at a local level. It's even growing in the Secessionist movement where in Vermont you have a more traditional liberal/left agenda driving their efforts while other secessionist State movements take various flavors of their own. Overall they all come together annually to discuss the larger movement and to spread ideas among themselves even though politically there are lots of uncommon ground. It comes down to how you run your house is your deal and how I run mine in mine. I happen to be a secessionist advocate myself but then I want to abolish the Constitution and go back to the Articles of confederation so there you go.</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p><p> </p><p>Both liberals and conservatives alike are starting to distrust the Super State and it's institutions like the political parties and instead harken back more to original intent of State and local control of matters of society and governance. Leave the federal government to organizing true self defense needs (not overt or covert intervention) and maintaining a fair and just system of trade between the individual states. Beyond that, the States and local communities handle the rest. Paleo's on both sides realize now not to throw out the otherside's (no pun to our own TOS) baby with the bathwater so to speak. As a result, this process is growing into a political alliance that could manifest itself beginning in 2012'.</p><p> </p><p>We'll just have to wait and see. I do think Obama will get elected although anything's possible. However, many democrat's elected to Congress have been more a Reagan democrat model than a radical Bill Ayers if you will democrat so if Obama get's to radical, these democrats that ran locally as a new type conservative will have to oppose Obama in order to stand re-election in 2010'. </p><p> </p><p>BTW: If you want to undertand Obama, forget Bill Ayers, study Saul Alinski and Hillary has a direct link to Saul whereas Obama's link is via disciples.</p><p> </p><p>Also here's a recent op-ed by Justin Raimondo on the GOP and it's future for paleo's. Justin has written extensively about the corrupting of the conservative cause by the new right or what is now called neo-cons.</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=13592" target="_blank"><span style="color: red"><strong>http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=13592</strong></span></a></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>I absolutely, wholeheartedly agree but the sad part is you are nothing but another snakeoil salesman yourself selling the same poison rebranded under another name as some great miracle cure!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 417149, member: 2189"] I'm seeing similar things as well Sortaisle. Good observations on your part. Ron Paul, whether you agree or disagree, opened a lot of peoples eyes as he brought both paleo-liberals and paleo-conservatives along with a cross section of various libertarian types together but once he was done, there was no 3rd party figure that was able to maintain those factions together. The only hope is now for the combined 3rd party vote to total towards the 20% mark but not sure if that will happen. It will come down to election day and when people step in to vote. Towards 2012' however, there is a growing undercurrent of transpartisanship among paleo-libs and paleo-cons as they both realize the Super State has grown to big. Both understand now the best place to govern society is at a local level. It's even growing in the Secessionist movement where in Vermont you have a more traditional liberal/left agenda driving their efforts while other secessionist State movements take various flavors of their own. Overall they all come together annually to discuss the larger movement and to spread ideas among themselves even though politically there are lots of uncommon ground. It comes down to how you run your house is your deal and how I run mine in mine. I happen to be a secessionist advocate myself but then I want to abolish the Constitution and go back to the Articles of confederation so there you go. :happy-very: Both liberals and conservatives alike are starting to distrust the Super State and it's institutions like the political parties and instead harken back more to original intent of State and local control of matters of society and governance. Leave the federal government to organizing true self defense needs (not overt or covert intervention) and maintaining a fair and just system of trade between the individual states. Beyond that, the States and local communities handle the rest. Paleo's on both sides realize now not to throw out the otherside's (no pun to our own TOS) baby with the bathwater so to speak. As a result, this process is growing into a political alliance that could manifest itself beginning in 2012'. We'll just have to wait and see. I do think Obama will get elected although anything's possible. However, many democrat's elected to Congress have been more a Reagan democrat model than a radical Bill Ayers if you will democrat so if Obama get's to radical, these democrats that ran locally as a new type conservative will have to oppose Obama in order to stand re-election in 2010'. BTW: If you want to undertand Obama, forget Bill Ayers, study Saul Alinski and Hillary has a direct link to Saul whereas Obama's link is via disciples. Also here's a recent op-ed by Justin Raimondo on the GOP and it's future for paleo's. Justin has written extensively about the corrupting of the conservative cause by the new right or what is now called neo-cons. [URL="http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=13592"][COLOR=red][B]http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=13592[/B][/COLOR][/URL] I absolutely, wholeheartedly agree but the sad part is you are nothing but another snakeoil salesman yourself selling the same poison rebranded under another name as some great miracle cure! [/QUOTE]
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