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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 1449203" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>You have a point Nimnim but why are republicans not owning Gruber in the sense that he's connected to them via their 2012' nominee and on the flipside why aren't democrats also being upfront and making this information on Gruber known as well? Republicans don't won't to be seen as the real father of our new healthcare law and democrats don't want the masses to understand that they are so out of ideas as to only be able to take theirs from the republicans? Don't freak out dems, repubs steal from you guys too. The folks in Washington are not that bright because if they were, billions of dollars wouldn't be needed to sell these clowns to the public. </p><p></p><p>Once again my argument that the 2 parties are just 2 wings from the same bird of prey. The repubs want to invade your bedroom and play morality monitor and the dems want to invade the rest of the house so they can play policeman to the rest of your life. Between the 2, outside of your home, both have screwed up the rest of our lives royally and equally I might add.</p><p></p><p>You can make the argument that RomneyCare is a State level program and that is true but it is equally true that RomneyCare was a huge influence and factor on the ACA otherwise known as ObamaCare and one of the major connections between the 2 is Gruber himself. Even Romney's healthcare ideas were never far removed from what we got and now with Gruber we know why that is so. </p><p></p><p>Gruber's open contempt for the masses I actually find honest and refreshing because that is exactly what they think of us regardless of which side the political isle is running the show. Does it ever dawn on anyone why any politician tells his audience on the campaign trail one thing and then does the exact opposite once elected? Gruber told us the truth, we are stupid and that is exactly how they see us. Hell, we should give the guy a damn medal as far as I'm concerned.</p><p></p><p>Even if republicans maintain their majority in the Congress and then take the WH in 2016', I predict ObamaCare won't get repealed, it will get modified and rebranded under a different name just so the gullible think it's gone. And the sad part? It will work like a charm and they know it because they've done it a 1000 times before. Gruber was 100% right, the masses in this country aren't stupid, we're friend'ing idiots and the very gov't we have is absolute proof of it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 1449203, member: 2189"] You have a point Nimnim but why are republicans not owning Gruber in the sense that he's connected to them via their 2012' nominee and on the flipside why aren't democrats also being upfront and making this information on Gruber known as well? Republicans don't won't to be seen as the real father of our new healthcare law and democrats don't want the masses to understand that they are so out of ideas as to only be able to take theirs from the republicans? Don't freak out dems, repubs steal from you guys too. The folks in Washington are not that bright because if they were, billions of dollars wouldn't be needed to sell these clowns to the public. Once again my argument that the 2 parties are just 2 wings from the same bird of prey. The repubs want to invade your bedroom and play morality monitor and the dems want to invade the rest of the house so they can play policeman to the rest of your life. Between the 2, outside of your home, both have screwed up the rest of our lives royally and equally I might add. You can make the argument that RomneyCare is a State level program and that is true but it is equally true that RomneyCare was a huge influence and factor on the ACA otherwise known as ObamaCare and one of the major connections between the 2 is Gruber himself. Even Romney's healthcare ideas were never far removed from what we got and now with Gruber we know why that is so. Gruber's open contempt for the masses I actually find honest and refreshing because that is exactly what they think of us regardless of which side the political isle is running the show. Does it ever dawn on anyone why any politician tells his audience on the campaign trail one thing and then does the exact opposite once elected? Gruber told us the truth, we are stupid and that is exactly how they see us. Hell, we should give the guy a damn medal as far as I'm concerned. Even if republicans maintain their majority in the Congress and then take the WH in 2016', I predict ObamaCare won't get repealed, it will get modified and rebranded under a different name just so the gullible think it's gone. And the sad part? It will work like a charm and they know it because they've done it a 1000 times before. Gruber was 100% right, the masses in this country aren't stupid, we're friend'ing idiots and the very gov't we have is absolute proof of it. [/QUOTE]
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