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<blockquote data-quote="Benben" data-source="post: 1162943" data-attributes="member: 25133"><p>Your #1; Has absolutely no bearing in this arguement. Wow talk about trying to do an end-around on facts.</p><p></p><p>Your #2; Total compensation is ummm............maybe total? Please buy a clue and give facts instead of made-up numbers. This is now the third time I have asked you for facts or even a source (we'll get to that absolute joke of an attempt in a min.)</p><p></p><p>Your #3 arguement gets even weaker when you consider the raise is the same the first 4 years thus dropping the raise even further. The 5th year's raise is bigger but is diluted because the first 4 years base has grown and because the raise is a split raise. So the math is 1.3% raise for 1/2 the year then its another 1.3% raise for the second half of the year. "AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE UPCOMING CONTRACT," we will be poorer due to inflation. </p><p></p><p>Your #4; <strong>WTF? By definition, inflation decreases earnings! </strong>Oh wait you are trying to confuse the whole matter. Earnings Power is a term used within bussiness to evaluate the risk/reward of investments. In regards to the individual it has no purpose in this discussion. You tried to tie it in with the example of a 1 million dollar income. That high of an income would have an amount of "discreationary" income and thus earnings power might become pertanent but it is not so when we are talking about incomes of less than 6 figures. Nice try though. "<u>Relative percentage drops as absolute income grows</u>" Thank you for that, it is exactly what I said from the get go....<u><em><strong>The raise is less than inflation!</strong></em></u></p><p></p><p>Your #5; We come to your first attempt at presenting a fact supported with a source outside of the, "because I said so." Nice try but a total fail. Wikipedia is not a source. It is a collection of user supplied opinions. If someone does not like a fact presented on that community site they can, and have many, many times changed it without reguards to the truth. This is done daily by companies all across the world. Again, just because you said it is so does not make it true. I have given you 3 solid sources and you give us Wikipedia?</p><p></p><p>Your #6; I don't follow. It is an incomplete sentence. Please take a few moments and gather yourself. Then get back to us when you can make sense.</p><p></p><p>Ok my question is where are you comming from? Are you UPS management or from the IBT. Your arguements are all 1 sided and jaded to the extreme. This contract <strong>ONLY</strong> benifits UPS and the IBT. It is a loss for every current ups employee outside of management other than new-hire part timers and then only those that do not intent to go full time. Seeing the quality of the new-hire PTers the past 2 years something had to be done. The percentage of PTers quiting after a few weeks was insane. The work was not worth the pay. UPS kept losing new hires to McDonalds becuase the starting pay was the same and the work was 1/4 as hard. The increase starting pay was more about UPS getting new workers than it was about the current workers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Benben, post: 1162943, member: 25133"] Your #1; Has absolutely no bearing in this arguement. Wow talk about trying to do an end-around on facts. Your #2; Total compensation is ummm............maybe total? Please buy a clue and give facts instead of made-up numbers. This is now the third time I have asked you for facts or even a source (we'll get to that absolute joke of an attempt in a min.) Your #3 arguement gets even weaker when you consider the raise is the same the first 4 years thus dropping the raise even further. The 5th year's raise is bigger but is diluted because the first 4 years base has grown and because the raise is a split raise. So the math is 1.3% raise for 1/2 the year then its another 1.3% raise for the second half of the year. "AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE UPCOMING CONTRACT," we will be poorer due to inflation. Your #4; [B]WTF? By definition, inflation decreases earnings! [/B]Oh wait you are trying to confuse the whole matter. Earnings Power is a term used within bussiness to evaluate the risk/reward of investments. In regards to the individual it has no purpose in this discussion. You tried to tie it in with the example of a 1 million dollar income. That high of an income would have an amount of "discreationary" income and thus earnings power might become pertanent but it is not so when we are talking about incomes of less than 6 figures. Nice try though. "[U]Relative percentage drops as absolute income grows[/U]" Thank you for that, it is exactly what I said from the get go....[U][I][B]The raise is less than inflation![/B][/I][/U] Your #5; We come to your first attempt at presenting a fact supported with a source outside of the, "because I said so." Nice try but a total fail. Wikipedia is not a source. It is a collection of user supplied opinions. If someone does not like a fact presented on that community site they can, and have many, many times changed it without reguards to the truth. This is done daily by companies all across the world. Again, just because you said it is so does not make it true. I have given you 3 solid sources and you give us Wikipedia? Your #6; I don't follow. It is an incomplete sentence. Please take a few moments and gather yourself. Then get back to us when you can make sense. Ok my question is where are you comming from? Are you UPS management or from the IBT. Your arguements are all 1 sided and jaded to the extreme. This contract [B]ONLY[/B] benifits UPS and the IBT. It is a loss for every current ups employee outside of management other than new-hire part timers and then only those that do not intent to go full time. Seeing the quality of the new-hire PTers the past 2 years something had to be done. The percentage of PTers quiting after a few weeks was insane. The work was not worth the pay. UPS kept losing new hires to McDonalds becuase the starting pay was the same and the work was 1/4 as hard. The increase starting pay was more about UPS getting new workers than it was about the current workers. [/QUOTE]
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