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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 829320" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>And one other note. Moreluck since you asked the question, where did the left/right thingy come from? To my knowledge the actual answer has not been given and thus the goat trail of religion was ventured down with your help I might add. The quick simple answer to the left/right question is the 18th century French Parliment is where those terms come from. The left in the french parliment were the liberals and as the name implied they sat on the left. These folks believed in decentralization of gov't, many like Bastiat believed in individualism and laissez faire while others like Proudhon who also sat on the left believed in mutualism or what was socialism in it's day but understand this socialism was a non-state variety. Proudhon many believe was the first to call himself an anarchist and in the greek word tradition of no ruler. On the right were the monarchists or those who supported a system of State, King and thus privilege. They wanted to conserve or preserve the current traditions of organized state. In others words, in the 18th and 19th century traditions the left of what was once called classical liberals were for limited gov't, free individual and freed markets while the right was for big gov't, big state and a privileged class. American political discourse in the late 19th century and early 20th century took this 2 ideals and turned them on their heads so to speak and now we have what we have. Much, much more to it but that's the quick and simple answer.</p><p> </p><p>IMO, the whole bible thing never had any place in the left/right debate as the question was framed in the first place.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 829320, member: 2189"] And one other note. Moreluck since you asked the question, where did the left/right thingy come from? To my knowledge the actual answer has not been given and thus the goat trail of religion was ventured down with your help I might add. The quick simple answer to the left/right question is the 18th century French Parliment is where those terms come from. The left in the french parliment were the liberals and as the name implied they sat on the left. These folks believed in decentralization of gov't, many like Bastiat believed in individualism and laissez faire while others like Proudhon who also sat on the left believed in mutualism or what was socialism in it's day but understand this socialism was a non-state variety. Proudhon many believe was the first to call himself an anarchist and in the greek word tradition of no ruler. On the right were the monarchists or those who supported a system of State, King and thus privilege. They wanted to conserve or preserve the current traditions of organized state. In others words, in the 18th and 19th century traditions the left of what was once called classical liberals were for limited gov't, free individual and freed markets while the right was for big gov't, big state and a privileged class. American political discourse in the late 19th century and early 20th century took this 2 ideals and turned them on their heads so to speak and now we have what we have. Much, much more to it but that's the quick and simple answer. IMO, the whole bible thing never had any place in the left/right debate as the question was framed in the first place. [/QUOTE]
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