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<blockquote data-quote="bbsam" data-source="post: 953214" data-attributes="member: 22662"><p>Where does grace end and forgiveness begin? How is it possible to have either without tolerance. Neither concedes future sins. I believe in Christ's case, grace is the correct term because of the absolute inability of man to DESERVE salvation. Paul discussed this in the question, "Shall we then sin that grace may abound?" Of course not. We strive to do God's will not because we seek to be saved but because in being saved we have recognized the spirit we have searched for in all things of the flesh. Sex, drugs, money, every wanton desire taken far beyond excess leading only to cutting ourselves off from the "sunlight of the spirit". These are not battles between heaven and hell, but tearing at the hearts and minds of people of all races and creeds. And given the perfection of the spirit one would think it easy to turn from worldly pleasures once given the choice. Again Paul realizeshis and our humanity as he despairs that he "does what he knows he should not and does not do what he should do." Only after my own journey had began could i understand the agony in his words. To live for Christ? To die for Christ? Perhaps they are one in the same. And though I fail daily, still I am compelled to accept forgiveness that I do not deserve. A perfect grace granted so that tomorrow I can "rise and sin no more" that my life more than my words may bear witness to my savior.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="bbsam, post: 953214, member: 22662"] Where does grace end and forgiveness begin? How is it possible to have either without tolerance. Neither concedes future sins. I believe in Christ's case, grace is the correct term because of the absolute inability of man to DESERVE salvation. Paul discussed this in the question, "Shall we then sin that grace may abound?" Of course not. We strive to do God's will not because we seek to be saved but because in being saved we have recognized the spirit we have searched for in all things of the flesh. Sex, drugs, money, every wanton desire taken far beyond excess leading only to cutting ourselves off from the "sunlight of the spirit". These are not battles between heaven and hell, but tearing at the hearts and minds of people of all races and creeds. And given the perfection of the spirit one would think it easy to turn from worldly pleasures once given the choice. Again Paul realizeshis and our humanity as he despairs that he "does what he knows he should not and does not do what he should do." Only after my own journey had began could i understand the agony in his words. To live for Christ? To die for Christ? Perhaps they are one in the same. And though I fail daily, still I am compelled to accept forgiveness that I do not deserve. A perfect grace granted so that tomorrow I can "rise and sin no more" that my life more than my words may bear witness to my savior. [/QUOTE]
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