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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 1236541" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>No.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Marx was wrong in many areas but not in all areas.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>When left to actually suffer the consequences of their actions? Yes. Just like touching a hot stove, for most people it only needs to happen once. But what happens if someone or a group of someones have a self interested benefit from someone continuing to touch the hot stove again and again? How do you keep that person touching the stove against their own interests and to the benefit of another?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Fallacy. You are using a collective conditioning not backed up by reality. Then explain me. How did I develop patience and abandon self centeredness? Explain Sleeve or Hoax and I mean no disrespect to others here for example that have made posts that show a grasp that something is seriously wrong with the current model of society. We may well differ in the "How" of moving beyond it but we all see the basic same problem and know something very different needs to be done. In a truly free world we would be allowed to try our different ways and we'd have to live with the consequences of our decisions. </p><p></p><p>People want to remain in the cave watching the wall on some level, even I recognize the comfort in just going along with the game plan given us. But if everything is so cut and dry perfect under the current model, why are the leaders of civilizations having to constantly lie to the people in their charge, keep such secrets from them never giving them all the details on any given issue? Everyone also has a point where they will finally turn around and look outside the cave opening and have a "WTf" moment but the real moment comes when they overcome fear and set out to do something different. More and more people on some level are beginning to do just that. </p><p></p><p>I think you know something is seriously wrong, something in your gut is gnawing away. Just like you challenged Ovah's religious comments with asking "who is you really trying to convince" that same application can be applied to you on the issue of libertarianism/anarchism.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 1236541, member: 2189"] No. Marx was wrong in many areas but not in all areas. When left to actually suffer the consequences of their actions? Yes. Just like touching a hot stove, for most people it only needs to happen once. But what happens if someone or a group of someones have a self interested benefit from someone continuing to touch the hot stove again and again? How do you keep that person touching the stove against their own interests and to the benefit of another? Fallacy. You are using a collective conditioning not backed up by reality. Then explain me. How did I develop patience and abandon self centeredness? Explain Sleeve or Hoax and I mean no disrespect to others here for example that have made posts that show a grasp that something is seriously wrong with the current model of society. We may well differ in the "How" of moving beyond it but we all see the basic same problem and know something very different needs to be done. In a truly free world we would be allowed to try our different ways and we'd have to live with the consequences of our decisions. People want to remain in the cave watching the wall on some level, even I recognize the comfort in just going along with the game plan given us. But if everything is so cut and dry perfect under the current model, why are the leaders of civilizations having to constantly lie to the people in their charge, keep such secrets from them never giving them all the details on any given issue? Everyone also has a point where they will finally turn around and look outside the cave opening and have a "WTf" moment but the real moment comes when they overcome fear and set out to do something different. More and more people on some level are beginning to do just that. I think you know something is seriously wrong, something in your gut is gnawing away. Just like you challenged Ovah's religious comments with asking "who is you really trying to convince" that same application can be applied to you on the issue of libertarianism/anarchism. [/QUOTE]
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