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<blockquote data-quote="Myron" data-source="post: 453780" data-attributes="member: 5496"><p>Dear Brownblackandblue,</p><p> </p><p>It is not a bad thing to be able to retire at age 55. That is not what I am implying. What I am saying is; it has become increasingly hard to make it to age 55, the age partial retirement starts for management. For those trying to work to get the full pension benefit it has become doubly as hard.</p><p> </p><p>The reason? I have seen disproportionate numbers of people in their 40's and 50's versus those in their 30's and younger 1) Going on stress or anxiety related disability/comp 2) being demoted (normally managers-voluntarily or forcibly) 3) resigning</p><p> </p><p>This is typically done by staff level managers and lower being put into situations where they cannot be successful-forcing 1 through 3 above. The attrition rate for the over 40 crowd far exceeds the younger than 40 group. I have also seen a seeming step up by security in investigations of the over 40 group. </p><p> </p><p>Call me cynical, whatever; but I am pretty well connected across my region as I have worked in a variety of capacities and have seen these patterns repeated over and over and over. It cannot be by coincidence. </p><p> </p><p>That is why I am urging you to look in your district or region for yourself. From my end I could give a rip; I see the game. However, you might be glad you looked.</p><p> </p><p>In terms of discrimination, there is only really one way UPS can actually save money. Keep as many people from reaching partial or full retirement as possible. It's not like they are running around saying, "We need to get rid of old people".</p><p> </p><p>On the other hand I have heard this exact statement made....We need to convince Gary to retire. If that isn't indicative of a cultural mode of thinking regarding age, than nothing is. And let's face it. THERE ARE WAYS TO GET RID OF PEOPLE!</p><p> </p><p>Please note for yourself, management who are demoted, on disability, or recently resigned. I will tell you without question they are replaced by younger people in most every instance...many in a 3 way type swap action. </p><p> </p><p>I believe we haven't seen much mentioned about this because when it happens, the person it happens to is so fearful they standby and let it occur. I mean I think I read that the average settlement is like $250,000. THAT'S NOTHING! Why rock the boat??? </p><p> </p><p>If UPS pays a $250,000 settlement, they make out on it!!! They prolong a pension payout to a younger employee and they are liabile for a KNOWN AMOUNT FOR A KNOWN PERIOD OF TIME, not $60,000+ benefits until someone dies! Savvy? </p><p> </p><p>Who in their right mind; as they approach retirement, would take UPS on over this? NO ONE!! UPS is not lowering OR RAISING the retirement age, they are creating managment attrition as fast as they can.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Myron, post: 453780, member: 5496"] Dear Brownblackandblue, It is not a bad thing to be able to retire at age 55. That is not what I am implying. What I am saying is; it has become increasingly hard to make it to age 55, the age partial retirement starts for management. For those trying to work to get the full pension benefit it has become doubly as hard. The reason? I have seen disproportionate numbers of people in their 40's and 50's versus those in their 30's and younger 1) Going on stress or anxiety related disability/comp 2) being demoted (normally managers-voluntarily or forcibly) 3) resigning This is typically done by staff level managers and lower being put into situations where they cannot be successful-forcing 1 through 3 above. The attrition rate for the over 40 crowd far exceeds the younger than 40 group. I have also seen a seeming step up by security in investigations of the over 40 group. Call me cynical, whatever; but I am pretty well connected across my region as I have worked in a variety of capacities and have seen these patterns repeated over and over and over. It cannot be by coincidence. That is why I am urging you to look in your district or region for yourself. From my end I could give a rip; I see the game. However, you might be glad you looked. In terms of discrimination, there is only really one way UPS can actually save money. Keep as many people from reaching partial or full retirement as possible. It's not like they are running around saying, "We need to get rid of old people". On the other hand I have heard this exact statement made....We need to convince Gary to retire. If that isn't indicative of a cultural mode of thinking regarding age, than nothing is. And let's face it. THERE ARE WAYS TO GET RID OF PEOPLE! Please note for yourself, management who are demoted, on disability, or recently resigned. I will tell you without question they are replaced by younger people in most every instance...many in a 3 way type swap action. I believe we haven't seen much mentioned about this because when it happens, the person it happens to is so fearful they standby and let it occur. I mean I think I read that the average settlement is like $250,000. THAT'S NOTHING! Why rock the boat??? If UPS pays a $250,000 settlement, they make out on it!!! They prolong a pension payout to a younger employee and they are liabile for a KNOWN AMOUNT FOR A KNOWN PERIOD OF TIME, not $60,000+ benefits until someone dies! Savvy? Who in their right mind; as they approach retirement, would take UPS on over this? NO ONE!! UPS is not lowering OR RAISING the retirement age, they are creating managment attrition as fast as they can. [/QUOTE]
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