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<blockquote data-quote="Myron" data-source="post: 455024" data-attributes="member: 5496"><p>Perhaps an equal opportunity pressure cooker. On the other hand patterns and practices sure are strange. I mean why no over 30 drivers hired off street? Only feeders. Why 90% under 25 hires? Why only outside mangement hires younger than 30? Why so many under 40 promotions? </p><p> </p><p>I know a guy who has worked as a division manager for 5 years off and on...he is 54. Very capable. He is constantly being asked to fill in as a division manager for months on end. They have promoted 5 division managers in the same time. All younger. 4 of them under 40. I don't get it.</p><p> </p><p>I have not seen an over 40 person promoted and relocated out of the district in 21 years of management.</p><p> </p><p> I did a stroke count of demoted managers (voluntary and forced), termed managers (who knows why-it's not always what you hear), termed sups (same), disabled managers and supervisors over the last 10 years. I then determined how old each replacement was. The numbers were astounding; they were far different than the internal demographics would suggest. </p><p> </p><p>How did I do this? I used an old HR list for the district. They used to be available readily. Now much trickier to obtain. Why so hard to obtain now? Is it that way where you are? If you have an old one...don't lose it.</p><p> </p><p>70% or so of UPS FT managers and supervisors are above 40, 30% under. (This is from Indiana) You would think the numbers of termed, demoted and disabled would be similar; they are not. Additionally, the numbers of promoted individuals to two unit and division manager levels also favors the under 40 crowd; 85% of the replacements are under 40, all are younger. </p><p> </p><p>If discrimination is going on in any area; it is age related. If it is not a focused effort, the patterns certainly don't suggest this. My friends in the south and up north in Michigan and Wisconsin sure see it as well. </p><p> </p><p>Please until you know for sure in your district; I urge you to find out for yourself. Don't say "you think".....please come to me and say "you know". It is important enough of a matter for all of us. My numbers are excellent; but people don't want to talk about it, and I know why. They are scared.</p><p> </p><p>LAST NOTE: You state that the pressure has increased tremendously on everyone in operations. I wonder where the largest component of over 40's exists at UPS?</p><p> </p><p>Happy New Year BB&B</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Myron, post: 455024, member: 5496"] Perhaps an equal opportunity pressure cooker. On the other hand patterns and practices sure are strange. I mean why no over 30 drivers hired off street? Only feeders. Why 90% under 25 hires? Why only outside mangement hires younger than 30? Why so many under 40 promotions? I know a guy who has worked as a division manager for 5 years off and on...he is 54. Very capable. He is constantly being asked to fill in as a division manager for months on end. They have promoted 5 division managers in the same time. All younger. 4 of them under 40. I don't get it. I have not seen an over 40 person promoted and relocated out of the district in 21 years of management. I did a stroke count of demoted managers (voluntary and forced), termed managers (who knows why-it's not always what you hear), termed sups (same), disabled managers and supervisors over the last 10 years. I then determined how old each replacement was. The numbers were astounding; they were far different than the internal demographics would suggest. How did I do this? I used an old HR list for the district. They used to be available readily. Now much trickier to obtain. Why so hard to obtain now? Is it that way where you are? If you have an old one...don't lose it. 70% or so of UPS FT managers and supervisors are above 40, 30% under. (This is from Indiana) You would think the numbers of termed, demoted and disabled would be similar; they are not. Additionally, the numbers of promoted individuals to two unit and division manager levels also favors the under 40 crowd; 85% of the replacements are under 40, all are younger. If discrimination is going on in any area; it is age related. If it is not a focused effort, the patterns certainly don't suggest this. My friends in the south and up north in Michigan and Wisconsin sure see it as well. Please until you know for sure in your district; I urge you to find out for yourself. Don't say "you think".....please come to me and say "you know". It is important enough of a matter for all of us. My numbers are excellent; but people don't want to talk about it, and I know why. They are scared. LAST NOTE: You state that the pressure has increased tremendously on everyone in operations. I wonder where the largest component of over 40's exists at UPS? Happy New Year BB&B [/QUOTE]
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