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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 510131" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Funny you should mention <a href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/04/01/mccarthy/index.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Greenwald</span></a></p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink2:" title="Wink :wink2:" data-shortname=":wink2:" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm actually gonna disagree with that statement although I agree I'm not happy with the direction of America either as it relates to Washington. But in fairness, I wasn't happy before the most recent election either so there you go! <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p><p></p><p>That said, people are talking more and more and learning to question gov't and also that things are not always as they appear. People are talking about what is in the Constitution and even reading it. Very bad for gov't! <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/emoticons/bigsmile.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":bigsmile2:" title="Bigsmile :bigsmile2:" data-shortname=":bigsmile2:" /><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/emoticons/dance.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":dance:" title="Dance :dance:" data-shortname=":dance:" /><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/emoticons/water_happy.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":water_happy:" title="Water Happy :water_happy:" data-shortname=":water_happy:" /></p><p></p><p>Court decisions and actions of gov't are being openly discussed and debated, often intensely which again is a very healthy sign. People learn from this, hear varying points of view and more importantly is the fact that different people want to live their lives in different ways.</p><p></p><p>The question is, do we have a national society that allows local communities to seek their own course in life in which we all benefit over time as the best cream always rises to the top or do we continue to do like Communist China as ajblakejr pointed out and make everyone wear the same exact set of cloths? Could you imagine trying to make only one standard set of clothes that work at all times for say someone who lives in Fargo ND. and then for someone who lives in Miami. Either one's gonna freeze to death or die of heat stroke! It comes down to who has better poltical connections that will determine the outcome.</p><p></p><p>ajblakejr,</p><p></p><p>The same standard of clothing actually is a business decision of the communist state. Since the State owns all means of production, a diverse product line would increase costs to the State and since they hold a monopoly on clothing, all decisions are based on what's in the best interest of the State, not the interest or demands of a free choosing customer! However, we live under the illusion that this type of total monopoly is only seen in a pure communist society and that is not always the case. We have various stages of monopolization in America too but we refuse to see it in the same manner as China.</p><p></p><p>But as I said, people are starting to explore these ideas and more from a independent and even individualist POV and that gives me great hope. As America's gov't presses forward in ever great and expansive roles never before seen on our shores, more and more people will rebel if only in thought and word and then the best part of all will be the need for gov't to then begin to suppress this and it will effect many different political sides. That may be the event that sends it all over the edge.</p><p></p><p>What the State really needs to fear is the growing convergence among the so-called right ie paleo-con/libertarians and the so-called left ie paleo-left/progressives and seen in <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100217110004/http://www.lewrockwell.com/podcast/?p=episode&name=2008-10-30_058_americas_slow_motion_fascist_coup.mp3" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">this</span></a> discussion between Lew Rockwell and Naomi Wolfe as both sides discover that the State itself has gotten way to big!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 510131, member: 2189"] Funny you should mention [URL='http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/04/01/mccarthy/index.html'][COLOR=red]Greenwald[/COLOR][/URL] :wink2: I'm actually gonna disagree with that statement although I agree I'm not happy with the direction of America either as it relates to Washington. But in fairness, I wasn't happy before the most recent election either so there you go! :happy-very: That said, people are talking more and more and learning to question gov't and also that things are not always as they appear. People are talking about what is in the Constitution and even reading it. Very bad for gov't! :bigsmile2::dance::water_happy: Court decisions and actions of gov't are being openly discussed and debated, often intensely which again is a very healthy sign. People learn from this, hear varying points of view and more importantly is the fact that different people want to live their lives in different ways. The question is, do we have a national society that allows local communities to seek their own course in life in which we all benefit over time as the best cream always rises to the top or do we continue to do like Communist China as ajblakejr pointed out and make everyone wear the same exact set of cloths? Could you imagine trying to make only one standard set of clothes that work at all times for say someone who lives in Fargo ND. and then for someone who lives in Miami. Either one's gonna freeze to death or die of heat stroke! It comes down to who has better poltical connections that will determine the outcome. ajblakejr, The same standard of clothing actually is a business decision of the communist state. Since the State owns all means of production, a diverse product line would increase costs to the State and since they hold a monopoly on clothing, all decisions are based on what's in the best interest of the State, not the interest or demands of a free choosing customer! However, we live under the illusion that this type of total monopoly is only seen in a pure communist society and that is not always the case. We have various stages of monopolization in America too but we refuse to see it in the same manner as China. But as I said, people are starting to explore these ideas and more from a independent and even individualist POV and that gives me great hope. As America's gov't presses forward in ever great and expansive roles never before seen on our shores, more and more people will rebel if only in thought and word and then the best part of all will be the need for gov't to then begin to suppress this and it will effect many different political sides. That may be the event that sends it all over the edge. What the State really needs to fear is the growing convergence among the so-called right ie paleo-con/libertarians and the so-called left ie paleo-left/progressives and seen in [URL='https://web.archive.org/web/20100217110004/http://www.lewrockwell.com/podcast/?p=episode&name=2008-10-30_058_americas_slow_motion_fascist_coup.mp3'][COLOR=red]this[/COLOR][/URL] discussion between Lew Rockwell and Naomi Wolfe as both sides discover that the State itself has gotten way to big! [/QUOTE]
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