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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 829908" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>TOS,</p><p> </p><p>The point you made above is an interesting point and let me just say upfront. I'm no fan of Reagan as most here know but then I'm no fan of the rest either so there you go. Tax cuts or tax increases IMO are all smoke and mirrors anyway and is nothing more than surface mud to bog us all down from actually talking too one another instead of what we do and that is talk at one another.</p><p> </p><p>As to your point about the collaspe of manufacturing GDP since the Reagan years, I agree completely but as to the cause we might all be wise to consider another factor that may play more a role than tax increases or decreases. That factor is when WW2 ended, global industrial production capacity lay in bombed ruin except for the most part in one nation, that being the United States. With our production capacity, being on the winning side of the war and our global monetary position we'd achieved thanks to Bretton Woods and the resulting creation of the likes of the IMF and World Bank, we dominated the economic globe for the next 30 years. The world easily ate up as much industrial surplus as we could crank out so life was good. </p><p> </p><p>However, cracks did begin to appear in the 60's and by the 70's Europe was a bit back on it's feet and Japan was emerging from it's own ashes. When Reagan entered the scene, the truth was already there but we Americans could not bring ourselves to accept it and even some of Carter's dilemma was a part of this equation. It had nothing to do so much with them as either democrat or republican or even liberal or conservative. Economics and global industrial capacity just began to spread out as a matter of global policy. The ability for ourselves to be self sustaining first was jettisoned on the false notion of global interdependence which was nothing more than a cover story for global rape and pillage either by soldiers in 3 piece suits or soldiers at the point of a gun. Either way, "You will be assimulated, Resistance if futile" became the American motto regardless of party in power. </p><p> </p><p>In the 80's not only did the manufacturing base accelerate into it's deminished role but so too did the historic family farm that was a powerful engine of American prosperity. Now the infamous industry of "friend.I.R.E" became the economic powerhouse but this was a fake prosperity from the get go as the whole thing was built on a system of unsustainable debt. In order to maintain the dollar as global reserve currency, a global economic system of production was necessary and this was more the driving point of our manufacturing decline than a tax increase or decrease itself. If tax policy played any role, it was as a tool towards an end and not the end in and of itself. I also believe tax increases are always shed off by corp. onto working people and consumers anyway so your goal of fairness may be noble but the bastards running the show will just manipulate your good intentions.</p><p> </p><p>In the 1990's as a result of Clinton, the idea of global via GATT, WTO, NAFTA etc. came about thanks in no small part because of Clinton and the infamous DLC. The DLC has been the same ball and chain around the necks of good sincere democrat liberals that the neo-conservatives were to good sincere conservatives. In other words, keep em' fightin' one another, keep em' fooled and we can do as we please. Even today with Obama, the same damn bullschitt is playing out again. </p><p> </p><p>Russell Means, former AIM leader and current Indian activist with the Lakota Nation recently put it best when he said, "Welcome to the Reservation!" What's been going on in America to african americans huddled in urban ghettos to foreign indigenious peoples being destroyed along with their way of life so global empire and global debt can continue is nothing more than the old 19th century reservation system taken on world tour by Uncle Sam and the British Bulldog. Now finally the shoe has dropped and white america is waking up to find their own lives being herded onto the global corp. reservation and political party and who we vote in makes no difference as the end results are always the same. They grow bigger and we get screwed!</p><p> </p><p>BTW: I know we disagree on much but I'm glad to see you back in this forum more and more these days. Balance is good!</p><p> </p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/peaceful.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":peaceful:" title="Peaceful :peaceful:" data-shortname=":peaceful:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 829908, member: 2189"] TOS, The point you made above is an interesting point and let me just say upfront. I'm no fan of Reagan as most here know but then I'm no fan of the rest either so there you go. Tax cuts or tax increases IMO are all smoke and mirrors anyway and is nothing more than surface mud to bog us all down from actually talking too one another instead of what we do and that is talk at one another. As to your point about the collaspe of manufacturing GDP since the Reagan years, I agree completely but as to the cause we might all be wise to consider another factor that may play more a role than tax increases or decreases. That factor is when WW2 ended, global industrial production capacity lay in bombed ruin except for the most part in one nation, that being the United States. With our production capacity, being on the winning side of the war and our global monetary position we'd achieved thanks to Bretton Woods and the resulting creation of the likes of the IMF and World Bank, we dominated the economic globe for the next 30 years. The world easily ate up as much industrial surplus as we could crank out so life was good. However, cracks did begin to appear in the 60's and by the 70's Europe was a bit back on it's feet and Japan was emerging from it's own ashes. When Reagan entered the scene, the truth was already there but we Americans could not bring ourselves to accept it and even some of Carter's dilemma was a part of this equation. It had nothing to do so much with them as either democrat or republican or even liberal or conservative. Economics and global industrial capacity just began to spread out as a matter of global policy. The ability for ourselves to be self sustaining first was jettisoned on the false notion of global interdependence which was nothing more than a cover story for global rape and pillage either by soldiers in 3 piece suits or soldiers at the point of a gun. Either way, "You will be assimulated, Resistance if futile" became the American motto regardless of party in power. In the 80's not only did the manufacturing base accelerate into it's deminished role but so too did the historic family farm that was a powerful engine of American prosperity. Now the infamous industry of "friend.I.R.E" became the economic powerhouse but this was a fake prosperity from the get go as the whole thing was built on a system of unsustainable debt. In order to maintain the dollar as global reserve currency, a global economic system of production was necessary and this was more the driving point of our manufacturing decline than a tax increase or decrease itself. If tax policy played any role, it was as a tool towards an end and not the end in and of itself. I also believe tax increases are always shed off by corp. onto working people and consumers anyway so your goal of fairness may be noble but the bastards running the show will just manipulate your good intentions. In the 1990's as a result of Clinton, the idea of global via GATT, WTO, NAFTA etc. came about thanks in no small part because of Clinton and the infamous DLC. The DLC has been the same ball and chain around the necks of good sincere democrat liberals that the neo-conservatives were to good sincere conservatives. In other words, keep em' fightin' one another, keep em' fooled and we can do as we please. Even today with Obama, the same damn bullschitt is playing out again. Russell Means, former AIM leader and current Indian activist with the Lakota Nation recently put it best when he said, "Welcome to the Reservation!" What's been going on in America to african americans huddled in urban ghettos to foreign indigenious peoples being destroyed along with their way of life so global empire and global debt can continue is nothing more than the old 19th century reservation system taken on world tour by Uncle Sam and the British Bulldog. Now finally the shoe has dropped and white america is waking up to find their own lives being herded onto the global corp. reservation and political party and who we vote in makes no difference as the end results are always the same. They grow bigger and we get screwed! BTW: I know we disagree on much but I'm glad to see you back in this forum more and more these days. Balance is good! :peaceful: [/QUOTE]
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