Obama's Double Cross!

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by wkmac, Oct 24, 2008.

  1. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member


    Even the socailists are turning on him now! You Obama defenders can use that to deflect the "LIBERAL republicans!" LOL!

  2. diesel96

    diesel96 New Member

    "Conrad"-Kmac, both sides pander somewhat as centralist to reach across party lines to attract undecided Ind's and fence jumping voters. McCain though, gave up pandering abilities towards disenfranchised Hillary Clinton supporters and Reagan Democrats and Ind's with his pick of Sarah Palin, with his recent knee jerk reactions and his support to the bailout. Barack will uncharacteriscally try to attract the Old JFK Republicans and the AIWPAC crowd with the tough-talk on defense and security. Any Democrat canidate has to. You can thank Carl Rove for that. Does that mean when he's President he's gonna have knee jerk reactions and go for the jugular and not think things thru with his advisors? More likely McCain has demenstrated he would go down that street, but Barack would stop, think and look both ways before crossing that street.

    And BTW, I was trying to be objective reading your 1st linked article By A. Cockburn, when the author stated HE didn't think the original chioce of Palin was a bad one and thinks that State Troopers are the scum of the law enforcement pond. That sounded off a bell in my head with red flags flapping in the wind, which led me to checkout the author and the website. The second article was fair but Nostrodmus like....lol. I generally like the easy reading non-partisan style of counterpunch website, but there not immuned at times to be no different from any other political websites full of opinions, at times half truths, interpetations and predictions that borderline misrepresentations.

  3. tieguy

    tieguy Banned

  4. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    October 27, 2008

    W, Obama, and the Cult of the Presidency

    Posted by Bill Anderson at October 27, 2008 06:34 AM

    Anthony Gregory's excellent review of "W." demonstrates what happens when we create a personality cult of the U.S. Presidency -- and other high offices as well. However, at least with Bush, some people waited until he actually had taken office.
    Today, we are seeing a Cult of Personality of Barack Obama even before he is in office (and I believe he will be elected in a landslide). I see the creepy videos of children singing Obama's praises with their well-to-do parents beaming in the way that my wife and I were beaming when our three young children recited the entire Children's Catechism. (Lest anyone think it was a rogue operation, the entire thing was paid for with NBC money and even was posted on Obama's site until people started raising issues about it. Mao would have loved to have had such a media organization behind him.)
    By the time he takes office in January, he is going to be praised and worshiped in a way that even FDR could not have imagined. I am old enough to remember JFK and his presidency, and while the media helped to create the cult of Camelot (or, as a historian friend of mine calls it: Came-a-lot), at least they waited until the guy actually was in the White House.
    By the way, I doubt that Oliver Stone will do a critical movie of Obama. If he does anything, look for it to be as worshipful as the video of the singing children. Stone has no problem with the cult of the presidency; he just wants someone in that office that he can worship.


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  5. av8torntn

    av8torntn Well-Known Member

    From Democratic Underground. These guys are way past silly but entertaining none the less.


    Then there’s the matter of his actual policy and political record. If Obama is such (as many “progressives” seem to need to believe) an “antiwar” candidate, why has he offered so much substantive policy support to the criminal occupation and the broader imperial “war on terror” of which Bush says O.I.F. is a part? Here are some highlights from a summary of Obama’s U.S. Senate voting record recently sent to me by the Creative Youth News Team (CYNT 2007), a progressive African American advocacy organization:

    “1/26/05: Obama voted to confirm Condoleezza Rice for Secretary of State. Rice was largely responsible…for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent victims in unnecessary wars...Roll call 2”

    “2/01/05: Obama was part of a unanimous consent agreement not to filibuster the nomination of lawless torturer Alberto Gonzales as chief law enforcement officer of the United States (U.S. Attorney General).”

    “2/15/05: Obama voted to confirm Michael Chertoff, a proponent of water-board torture... man behind the round-up of thousands of people of Middle-Eastern descent following 9/11. By Roll call 10.”

    “4/21/05: Obama voted to make John ‘Death Squad’ Negroponte the National Intelligence Director. In Central America, John Negroponte was connected to death squads that murdered nuns and children in sizable quantities. He is suspected of instigating death squads while in Iraq, resulting in the current insurgency. Instead of calling for Negroponte's prosecution, Obama rewarded him by making him National Intelligence Director. Roll call 107”

    “4/21/05: Obama voted for HR 1268, war appropriations in the amount of approximately $81 billion. Much of this funding went to Blackwater USA and Halliburton and disappeared. Roll call 109 ”

    “7/01/05: Obama voted for H.R. 2419, termed ‘The Nuclear Bill’ by environmental and peace groups. It provided billions for nuclear weapons activities, including nuclear bunker buster bombs. It contains full funding for Yucca Mountain, a threat to food and water in California, Nevada, Arizona and states across America. Roll call 172 .”

    “9/26/05 & 9/28/05: Obama failed and refused to place a hold on the nomination of John Roberts, a supporter of permanent detention of Americans without trial, and of torture and military tribunals for Guantanamo detainees.”

    “10/07/05: Obama voted for HR2863, which appropriated $50 billion in new money for war. Roll call 2 .”

    “11/15/05: Obama voted for continued war, again. Roll call 326 was the vote on the Defense Authorization Act (S1042) which kept the war and war profiteering alive, restricted the right of habeas corpus and encouraged terrorism. Pursuant to his pattern, Obama voted for this. .”

    “12/21/05: Obama confirmed his support for war by voting for the Conference Report on the Defense Appropriations Act (HR 2863), Roll call 366, which provided more funding to Halliburton and Blackwater. ”

    “5/2/06: Obama voted for money for more war by voting for cloture on HR 4939, the emergency funding to Halliburton, Blackwater and other war profiteers. Roll call 103 .”

    “5/4/06: Obama, again, voted to adopt HR4939: emergency funding to war profiteers. Roll call 112 .”

    “6/13/06: Obama voted to commend the armed services for a bombing that killed innocent people and children and reportedly resulted in the death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi… Michael Berg, whose son was reportedly killed by al-Zarqawi, condemned the attack and expressed sorrow over the innocent people and children killed in the bombing that Obama commended. Roll call 168 .”

    “6/15/06: Obama voted for the conference report on HR4939, a bill that gave warmongers more money to continue the killing and massacre of innocent people in Iraq and allows profiteers to collect more money for scamming the people of New Orleans. Roll Call 171 .”

    “6/15/06: Obama, again, opposed withdrawal of the troops, by voting to table a motion to table a proposed amendment would have required the withdrawal of US. Armed Forces from Iraq and would have urged the convening of an Iraq summit (S Amdt 4269 to S. Amdt 4265 to S2766) Roll Call 174 ”

    “6/22/06: Obama voted against withdrawing the troops by opposing the Kerry Amendment (S. Amdt 4442 to S 2766) to the National Defense Authorization Act. The amendment, which was rejected, would have brought our troops home. Roll Call 181 ”

    “6/22/06: Obama voted for cloture (the last effective chance to stop) on the National Defense Authorization Act (S 2766), which provided massive amounts of funding to defense contractors to continue the killing in Iraq. Roll Call 183.”

    “6/22/06: Obama again voted for continued war by voting to pass the National Defense Authorization Act (S 2766) for continued war funding. Roll Call 186 .

    9/7/06: Obama voted to give more money to profiteers for more war (H..R. 5631). Roll Call 239 ”

    “9/29/06: Obama voted vote for the conference report on more funding for war, HR 5631. Roll Call 261 .”

    “11/16/06: Obama voted for nuclear proliferation in voting to pass HR 5682, a bill to exempt the United States-India Nuclear Proliferation Act from requirements of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954. Roll Call 270 .”

    “12/06/06: Obama voted to confirm pro-war Robert M. Gates to be Secretary of Defense. Gates is a supporter of Bush's policies of pre-emptive war and conquest of foreign countries. Roll Call 272 ”

    “Obama's voting record in 2007 establishes that he continues to be pro-war. On March 28, 2007 and March 29th, 2007, he voted for cloture and passage of a bill designed to give Bush over $120 billion to continue the occupation for years to come (with a suspendable time table) and inclusive of funding that could be used to launch a war with Iran. Roll calls 117 and 126 ...Obama's record shows a minimum of 20 major pro-war votes…”

    Wow. I might have worded things a little differently than CYNT at times, but that’s a damning bill of indictment.

    Obama’s intra-Democratic political record also defies those who insistent on wrapping him in an antiwar flag. In 2006 Obama lent his celebrity and political finance assistance to neoconservative war Senator Joe Lieberman’s (“D”-Connecticut) struggle against the Democratic antiwar insurgent Ned Lamont. Obama supported other mainstream Democrats fighting genuinely antiwar progressives in primary races, collaborating with Democratic muscle man Rahm Emannuel’s campaign to marginalize “peaceniks” within the party (see Sirota 2006, Silverstein 2006 and Cockburn 2006).

    In a November 2005 speech to the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Obama rejected Rep. John Murtha’s (D-Pa.) call for a rapid redeployment and any notion of a timetable for withdrawal. Obama advocated “a pragmatic solution to the real war we’re facing in Iraq” and made repeated references to the need to “defeat” the “insurgency.” This language meant continuation of the war (Ford and Gamble 2005).

    Earlier that same year, Obama shamefully distanced himself from his fellow Senator Dick Durbin’s (D-IL) forthright criticism of U.S. torture practices at Guantanamo (Street 2005; Cockburn 2006).

    And he still refuses to foreswear the use of first-strike nuclear weapons against Iran (Gerson 2007). As Kucinich pointed out during last night’s debate, this is what Obama’s comment that “all options are on the table” in regard to Iran really boils down to: the potential first black U.S. President is willing to seriously consider the launching of a thermonuclear attack on that country. Debate participant Mike Gravel (a left former U.S. Senator of Alaska)was thinking of that horrific possibility when said the following about the leading Democratic candidates (Obama included of course) last night: “these people scare me.”
  6. tieguy

    tieguy Banned