Religious Belief vs Civic Duty

Discussion in 'Brown Cafe Polls' started by UpstateNYUPSer, Sep 3, 2015.

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Do employees have the right to refuse to perform parts of their jobs due to their religious beliefs?

Poll closed Sep 10, 2015.
  1. Yes

    25.0%
  2. No

    68.8%
  3. No opinion

    6.3%
  1. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    As many of you may know, there is a county clerk in Kentucky who has taken it upon herself to defy repeated directives from her supervisors, state and federal government, by not issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples, citing her strong religious beliefs on the subject. Today she will be in federal court where it is expected that she will be given the option of either doing her job or face fines and/or jail time.
     
  2. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    On a related note, I went to a local county fair with my brother and his family last weekend. I saw this sign posted outside one of the food vendors:

    "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for whatever reason."

    Is this even legal?
     
  3. bottomups

    bottomups Bad Moon Risen'

    She took an oath of office to perform all duties as required by law.
    If she won't perform those duties she could and should resign her job.
     
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  4. Operational needs

    Operational needs Well-Known Member

    If she's that opposed, for religious reasons, she should get another job. If the federal courts sided with her, that would open a huge can of worms... for instance, Jewish or Muslim people refusing to handle pork as butchers, delivery people, etc. It could go on and on.
     
  5. I don't agree with her . But that wasn't part of the job of the job when she started.
     
  6. Operational needs

    Operational needs Well-Known Member

    Hmm. I didn't think of that.
     
  7. Thats the only argument I can think of.
     
  8. Baba gounj

    Baba gounj pensioner

    I've already had that happen to me .
    I'm in the express line and I get held up because the cashier refuses to touch a shrink wrapped covered piece of ham .
     
  9. That's funny.
     
  10. Operational needs

    Operational needs Well-Known Member

    My daughter and I were in Marshall's Sunday and we saw a Muslim woman working there who was totally covered except for her eyes. Usually if they are that devout, they're not allowed to have any dealings with men who aren't family. We were wondering how that works for her.
     
  11. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    At that point I would have reached over and scanned it myself.
     
  12. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    So why stop issuing marriage licenses altogether?
     
  13. .Good point.
     
  14. oldngray

    oldngray nowhere special

    Legally she has to issue those licenses now but since the court changed the definitions from what she agreed to when she was hired possibly the state could transfer her into another department. That way she could keep her job and the whole issue could just go away. Unless either side is more interested in milking it for the publicity than working out an equitable solution.
     
  15. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    The equitable solution would be for her to simply do her job.
     
  16. bottomups

    bottomups Bad Moon Risen'

    She wasn't "hired". This is an elected position and she cannot be fired for not performing her duties. Don't believe you can take an elected position and simply move her to another department.
    That being said, if she chooses not to perform the duties of the office, she should resign.
     
  17. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    You can remove an elected official for cause.
     
  18. Turdferguson

    Turdferguson Guest

    County clerk is an elected officials I don't think they can transfer her.
     
  19. oldngray

    oldngray nowhere special

    OK, I didn't know it was an elected position. I was thinking it was civil service.
     
  20. Turdferguson

    Turdferguson Guest

    It was part of her job to separate her religious views from her job as a state official