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<blockquote data-quote="RockinRobin" data-source="post: 1229079" data-attributes="member: 50986"><p>Thanks for the post, and welcome. I'm a fairly new poster too. Been lurking and reading for a very long time.</p><p></p><p>Your points are understandable and well taken.</p><p></p><p>Seniority issues in any Union shop are going to frustrate many. I don't want to get into it, and you have said a lot, but it is what it is. I can't imagine Loading after 10 years at a HUB, but I know it happens. Very few "Want" to load after 10 years, unless it's just to help out and bail someone out of a bind by power-loading for 30 minutes. I have worked until Midnight or longer on my Twilight due to under-staffing. It just happens. Nothing we can do but work through the shortage.</p><p></p><p>It's probably going to get worse as the years tick by. I have a feeling that finding hard labor PT employees to load trailers is going to be a challenge more and more as time goes on. Very few want that kind of workout on a nightly basis, five nights a week. I've seen a trend of more and more new hires quitting after day 1 or 2 than ever before. I heard one new hire, as he was leaving for the night, say "Target pays $15.00 an hour to start and it can't be any harder than this crap, plus we don't have to pay Union dues. This crap is not for me." As I posted earlier, there is a hard curve at our hub. New hires must buy steel toed shoes. They have to pay union dues in their first four paychecks. Many get their first paycheck and are shocked at the very little they take home, and they quit.</p><p></p><p>UPS is in a boom. As the economy has shrunk and settled at a new GDP, more and more people are buying product online rather than going to Brick and Mortar stores. Shoot, many are even turning to online Pharmacies for shipment of pharmaceuticals. I have a friend that even buys dry good groceries online and has them shipped. The volume of packages handled every year is bound to increase for the next 10 years. Luckily, Amazon went with the USPS. If they had jumped on Brown, we'd all be screwed. My opinion of course. Speaking of Brick and Mortor, we have one trailer that typically is loaded with 150 to 200 boxes of Facing Bricks. These boxes, about 18 inches by 4 feet, weigh 45 lbs. each. If you are the poor schmuck loading that trailer, and you get hit with, say, 180 boxed mid-load of those bricks, by the end of the trailer you are shot. But then you have another trailer to do. I've seen men of steel reduced to drooping mounds of exhaustion after loading that trailer. It's just a very hard job, plain and simple. 100 years ago, it may have been the norm to work that hard, but today, there are other options, although lean in this economy.</p><p></p><p>There are injuries galore. Muscle pulls, back injuries, hand injuries, stress injuries, twisted ankles, etc. And there is working conditions. The trailers are dirty. And they are obviously not air conditioned. Our trailers can go 10 degrees in the winter, and 95 degrees in the summer. Most of our loaders lose 40 lbs their first few months. Tough job. IMO, nothing worse than sweating your butt off, getting soak and wet, and then walking to your car in 15 degree weather with a stiff wind. Many develop bad colds. I prefer warmer weather.</p><p></p><p>I guess the only thing we can say is we have job security. What else can you say? Keep that chin up. <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/smile.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RockinRobin, post: 1229079, member: 50986"] Thanks for the post, and welcome. I'm a fairly new poster too. Been lurking and reading for a very long time. Your points are understandable and well taken. Seniority issues in any Union shop are going to frustrate many. I don't want to get into it, and you have said a lot, but it is what it is. I can't imagine Loading after 10 years at a HUB, but I know it happens. Very few "Want" to load after 10 years, unless it's just to help out and bail someone out of a bind by power-loading for 30 minutes. I have worked until Midnight or longer on my Twilight due to under-staffing. It just happens. Nothing we can do but work through the shortage. It's probably going to get worse as the years tick by. I have a feeling that finding hard labor PT employees to load trailers is going to be a challenge more and more as time goes on. Very few want that kind of workout on a nightly basis, five nights a week. I've seen a trend of more and more new hires quitting after day 1 or 2 than ever before. I heard one new hire, as he was leaving for the night, say "Target pays $15.00 an hour to start and it can't be any harder than this crap, plus we don't have to pay Union dues. This crap is not for me." As I posted earlier, there is a hard curve at our hub. New hires must buy steel toed shoes. They have to pay union dues in their first four paychecks. Many get their first paycheck and are shocked at the very little they take home, and they quit. UPS is in a boom. As the economy has shrunk and settled at a new GDP, more and more people are buying product online rather than going to Brick and Mortar stores. Shoot, many are even turning to online Pharmacies for shipment of pharmaceuticals. I have a friend that even buys dry good groceries online and has them shipped. The volume of packages handled every year is bound to increase for the next 10 years. Luckily, Amazon went with the USPS. If they had jumped on Brown, we'd all be screwed. My opinion of course. Speaking of Brick and Mortor, we have one trailer that typically is loaded with 150 to 200 boxes of Facing Bricks. These boxes, about 18 inches by 4 feet, weigh 45 lbs. each. If you are the poor schmuck loading that trailer, and you get hit with, say, 180 boxed mid-load of those bricks, by the end of the trailer you are shot. But then you have another trailer to do. I've seen men of steel reduced to drooping mounds of exhaustion after loading that trailer. It's just a very hard job, plain and simple. 100 years ago, it may have been the norm to work that hard, but today, there are other options, although lean in this economy. There are injuries galore. Muscle pulls, back injuries, hand injuries, stress injuries, twisted ankles, etc. And there is working conditions. The trailers are dirty. And they are obviously not air conditioned. Our trailers can go 10 degrees in the winter, and 95 degrees in the summer. Most of our loaders lose 40 lbs their first few months. Tough job. IMO, nothing worse than sweating your butt off, getting soak and wet, and then walking to your car in 15 degree weather with a stiff wind. Many develop bad colds. I prefer warmer weather. I guess the only thing we can say is we have job security. What else can you say? Keep that chin up. :) [/QUOTE]
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