S&P Cuts US Credit Rating to AA+

klein

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Well, the Monday nightmare verdict is out, and I don't think anyone would have expected the outcome :

The Markets have lost near everything they have gained in the past 2 years !
Dow back into the 10.000 number, losing over 634 points down 5.55 %, Nasdaq even worse off, and back into the 2300's losing over 174 points, down 6.9 %.
UPS stock did not much better, losing over 5% and just over $62 a share now.

If something doesn't happen soon, this is a double dip recession , again, Made in USA !

This sucks for everyone !
 

moreluck

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How many times did Obama ask for a balanced approach ?
Cut Spending and raise taxes !

Nobody on the right wanted to listen and they walked out 5 times during the meetings !

If you truley think big cuts are needed and the only way to get out of this financial mess, then you better be prepared for much higher unemployment, no more spending on infrastucture, even though it's really needed, and cuts to the elderly in form of reductions in medicare and SS.

And nevermind less tax revenue due to higher unemployment and more spending due to more on the unemployment payroll.
Why you can't agree, or any of the republicans, that a balanced approach would be much better, wonders me !

The reason tax hikes weren't wanted is because we have plenty of money coming in..........way too much being spent.....for the millonth time!!
 

The Other Side

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The Tea Party's goal was to cut a reasonable amount, in fact the Tea Party plan of Cut, Cap and balance was the only plan the S&P said would keep it from downgrading. Obama wanted the crisis that's why he never came up with a plan. Obama wants people to rely on government for handouts so he can ultimately control the destruction of this country. Your blinding, lying spin is the same rhetoric you can get from Obama himself, and most of the ignorant liberal media pundits. America loses because of Obama's incompetence....2012 Debt man (Obama) walking. Then we can get on with the business of digging out of a wasted 4 years in hell.

I see someone was listening to Rush Limbaugh this morning and wants to repeat the same nonsense. The S & P did not say they would have kept the aaa rating if cap cut and balance passed.

America has clearly lost due to people like Michele Bachman calling for an outright default! Plenty of tea party morons held this debate at bay for months and did not want a compromise. RUSH limbaugh himself called for Boehner to NOT COMPROMISE with the democrats in the house, and suggested that a default would cause NO HARM. FAIL!

A balanced approach will fix this problem. Tax increases and spending cuts and NO FUTURE WARS will help to return our country to better health. TEA PARTY rhetoric and right wing protections of the top 1% tax bracket earners ( like limbaugh) will not solve or help this country.

The damage is done. The next bridge to cross will be in the upcoming months when the special committees look to raise revenues.

Listening to right wing radio morons run for cover from the very advice they have been giving for months is laughable at best.

Peace.
 

The Other Side

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The reason tax hikes weren't wanted is because we have plenty of money coming in..........way too much being spent.....for the millonth time!!

FAIL!

Moreluck, you still have 2 wars unpaid. That cost 3.2 trillion all by themselves. Where do you suppose the goverment get that money from?

Sheesh.

peace.
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
FAIL!

Moreluck, you still have 2 wars unpaid. That cost 3.2 trillion all by themselves. Where do you suppose the goverment get that money from?

Sheesh.

peace.

Gee, remember when you said the economy was doing just fine under Obama and that the Dow was really close to 13,000 ?? FAIL!!!
 

klein

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Well, round 2 comming up soon from S&P.
They will downgrade a few cities and States now, that are tied in with the federal government.

Comming up as soon as today or tomorrow, or sometime this week.
Good luck all, nice domino effect !
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
Oh, and for your info, try googeln how much a hotdog vendor earns.
And keep in mind, my lowest price is $3.75 for a dog.... $1.25 for a can of pop or bottle of water.
$2.50 for a cup of coffee.

You might just get a bit jelous ! (Esspecially when you check out what they earn during special events)


5 youths slain at hot dog stand in northern Mexico

CULIACAN, Mexico — Mexican authorities say five young people have been shot to death as they ordered dinner at a highway-side hot dog stand in northwestern Mexico.
The Sinaloa state Attorney General’s Office says unidentified assailants drove up and sprayed the four teenagers and a 24-year old with dozens of bullets from AK-47s and AR-15s.

A 50-year-old man was wounded in the shooting late Saturday in the San Ignacio municipality.
 

The Other Side

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Gee, remember when you said the economy was doing just fine under Obama and that the Dow was really close to 13,000 ?? FAIL!!!

Compared to BUSH, it was doing astonomical. THe country didnt count on the republicans sabotaging not only our country, but the world. The world was a little oversight on the republicans part.

Peace.
 

klein

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5 youths slain at hot dog stand in northern Mexico

CULIACAN, Mexico — Mexican authorities say five young people have been shot to death as they ordered dinner at a highway-side hot dog stand in northwestern Mexico.
The Sinaloa state Attorney General’s Office says unidentified assailants drove up and sprayed the four teenagers and a 24-year old with dozens of bullets from AK-47s and AR-15s.

A 50-year-old man was wounded in the shooting late Saturday in the San Ignacio municipality.

Only 5 ? Wow, not good enough for the 8 in Ohio yesterday !
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
(Daily Mail) — A mystery investor or hedge fund reportedly made a bet of almost $1billion at odds of 10/1 last month that the U.S. would lose its AAA credit rating.
Now questions are being asked of whether the trader had inside information before placing the $850million bet in the futures market.

The latest bet was made on July 21 on trades of 5,370 ten-year Treasury futures and 3,100 Treasury bond futures, reported ETF Daily News.
Now the investor’s gamble seems to have paid off after Standard and Poor’s issued a credit rating downgrade from AAA to AA+ last Friday.
Whoever it is stands to earn a 1,000 per cent return on their money, with the expectation that interest rates will be going up after the downgrade.

When Did the President Know and Who Did He Tell?
The tremendous 7% crash in stock market prices over the last five trading days serves as over-whelming evidence that the President of the United States or someone in his inner circle leaked “material non-public information” to Wall Street traders that the AAA credit rating of the United States of America would be downgraded.. Leaking of such information is criminal activity for both the trader who profits and the leaker. Depending on the level of the leak in his Administration; the President may be forced to resign of face severe sanctions.
Reuters News Service reported from a source familiar with the talks on Friday: “Obama was briefed earlier in the day regarding S&P’s intentions, but discussions only took place with Treasury officials and did not include the White House.” This statement suggests the worst type of political spin possible. Either the President is completely incompetent in financial matters or he is disengaged from the plight of the nation!
Ratings agencies meet regularly with every organization they rate. When S&P is about to issue a change in credit rating, they send a preliminary rating and a justification for the rating to the organization. The organization is given the opportunity to formally respond in writing to the proposed ratings change. The formal response is then forwarded to the Standard & Poors Credit Committee for final review. In the momentous event of the issuance of a preliminary downgrade of the United States; the most senior credit analysts at S&P would have personally met with Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and senior Treasury staff. President Obama himself or another White House official would have attended the meeting to provide the Administration’s input.
 

The Other Side

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(Daily Mail) — A mystery investor or hedge fund reportedly made a bet of almost $1billion at odds of 10/1 last month that the U.S. would lose its AAA credit rating.
Now questions are being asked of whether the trader had inside information before placing the $850million bet in the futures market.

The latest bet was made on July 21 on trades of 5,370 ten-year Treasury futures and 3,100 Treasury bond futures, reported ETF Daily News.
Now the investor’s gamble seems to have paid off after Standard and Poor’s issued a credit rating downgrade from AAA to AA+ last Friday.
Whoever it is stands to earn a 1,000 per cent return on their money, with the expectation that interest rates will be going up after the downgrade.

[h=2]When Did the President Know and Who Did He Tell?[/h]
The tremendous 7% crash in stock market prices over the last five trading days serves as over-whelming evidence that the President of the United States or someone in his inner circle leaked “material non-public information” to Wall Street traders that the AAA credit rating of the United States of America would be downgraded.. Leaking of such information is criminal activity for both the trader who profits and the leaker. Depending on the level of the leak in his Administration; the President may be forced to resign of face severe sanctions.
Reuters News Service reported from a source familiar with the talks on Friday: “Obama was briefed earlier in the day regarding S&P’s intentions, but discussions only took place with Treasury officials and did not include the White House.” This statement suggests the worst type of political spin possible. Either the President is completely incompetent in financial matters or he is disengaged from the plight of the nation!
Ratings agencies meet regularly with every organization they rate. When S&P is about to issue a change in credit rating, they send a preliminary rating and a justification for the rating to the organization. The organization is given the opportunity to formally respond in writing to the proposed ratings change. The formal response is then forwarded to the Standard & Poors Credit Committee for final review. In the momentous event of the issuance of a preliminary downgrade of the United States; the most senior credit analysts at S&P would have personally met with Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and senior Treasury staff. President Obama himself or another White House official would have attended the meeting to provide the Administration’s input.

Wow, you had to scape the bottom of the trashcan for this story, eh Baba? Whats wrong? Did the ORLY TAINZ well dry up?

Peace.
 

klein

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The only thing that could have changed this nasty outcome today, was if those 2 parties came together over the weekend and would have came out with a statement that they'll work together to get us back on track.

But, no, the bickering starting instantly with Michelle Bachmann opening her big mouth, and the arguments and finger pointing began.
Exactly the opposite that was needed to calm things down !

All weekend long, and even more today - the bickering just won't end. Just more proof that this congress and political system just can't work together. And definitly don't work for what's best for America and Americans ! Or even for the world for that matter.

Like a bunch of spoiled little brats, all wanting their own ways and say.
Kinda like on Browncafe in this and other threads !

Stop it, and fix it - together - for America's sake !!!
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
OK. who hijacked klein's ID ?
"together to get us back on track"
"Stop it, and fix it - together - for America's sake !!! ".
These are not words that an Canadian would speak, after all his economy is thriving and including the word "us " in any statement is rather strange.
 
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