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<blockquote data-quote="UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)" data-source="post: 1089809" data-attributes="member: 12570"><p>]I understand the initial thought of further division amongst the rank and file however I feel that part-timers MAY become more engaged in the voting process IF we had separate contracts. (Note: Please understand that I know this would never happen...simply theoretical) I simply believe that part-time language and benefits are "bargained" away on behalf of full-time "improvements". This would be impossible in separate contract agreements.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000">It couldn't be any easier to vote----the ballot is mailed to you----all you have to do is put an X in either the "Yes" or "No" box and then follow the directions to put the ballot in to the postage-paid return envelope and put it in a mailbox.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000">You are 100% correct that PT benefits are bargained away in favor of FT improvements.</span></p><p></p><p>Theoretically, two contracts could also have different contract periods. The main negotiating tool in any agreement is the possibility of a work stoppage (strike) by bargaining unit employees. IF there were two contracts....this would essentially double the negotiating power. For example, it would take BOTH contracts to pass in order to keep the entire UPS bargaining employees working. Either of the two classifications would honor the picket lines of the other classification in the event of a strike. </p><p></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000">It is not cheap to negotiate a contract----this is why companies and labor unions prefer longer-term contracts. Negotiating two contracts would be cost-prohibitive.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000">There is no way in hell that I would honor a work stoppage by the part-timers.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000"></span></p><p>The last PRO of having two contracts is that each contract would have fewer pages....... JUST think....maybe more people would actually take the time to read the contract if it were more concise and easier to read....... ... OR........... if not two contracts... two contract books.... One for the full-time and one for the part-time? ANYTHING to get people to read, understand, and enforce the contract language...</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000">Would the PT contract be written in crayon? (Sorry---couldn't resist)</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000"></span></p><p>You do make some good points and present them in a clear, concise manner; however, as you have already said, there is no way that either the company or union would want a separate contract for PTers and FTers as there is no need for separate contracts.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="UpstateNYUPSer(Ret), post: 1089809, member: 12570"] ]I understand the initial thought of further division amongst the rank and file however I feel that part-timers MAY become more engaged in the voting process IF we had separate contracts. (Note: Please understand that I know this would never happen...simply theoretical) I simply believe that part-time language and benefits are "bargained" away on behalf of full-time "improvements". This would be impossible in separate contract agreements. [COLOR=#ff0000]It couldn't be any easier to vote----the ballot is mailed to you----all you have to do is put an X in either the "Yes" or "No" box and then follow the directions to put the ballot in to the postage-paid return envelope and put it in a mailbox. You are 100% correct that PT benefits are bargained away in favor of FT improvements.[/COLOR] Theoretically, two contracts could also have different contract periods. The main negotiating tool in any agreement is the possibility of a work stoppage (strike) by bargaining unit employees. IF there were two contracts....this would essentially double the negotiating power. For example, it would take BOTH contracts to pass in order to keep the entire UPS bargaining employees working. Either of the two classifications would honor the picket lines of the other classification in the event of a strike. [COLOR=#ff0000]It is not cheap to negotiate a contract----this is why companies and labor unions prefer longer-term contracts. Negotiating two contracts would be cost-prohibitive. There is no way in hell that I would honor a work stoppage by the part-timers. [/COLOR] The last PRO of having two contracts is that each contract would have fewer pages....... JUST think....maybe more people would actually take the time to read the contract if it were more concise and easier to read....... ... OR........... if not two contracts... two contract books.... One for the full-time and one for the part-time? ANYTHING to get people to read, understand, and enforce the contract language... [COLOR=#ff0000]Would the PT contract be written in crayon? (Sorry---couldn't resist) [/COLOR] You do make some good points and present them in a clear, concise manner; however, as you have already said, there is no way that either the company or union would want a separate contract for PTers and FTers as there is no need for separate contracts. [/QUOTE]
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