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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 540911" data-attributes="member: 17969"><p>Chopstic,</p><p> </p><p>First, I will have to point out that your understanding of why you pay union dues is way off base. You clearly dont understand the Union concept or what the union does for you and every other member.</p><p> </p><p>While its understandable for me to know why you dont understand, you must take the time to learn what the Union does for everyone. Rather than just simplify dues to you personally, you must understand WHAT the dues pay for.</p><p> </p><p>First, let me be clear, if your position is an anti-union one, then I feel no respect for you. I have NO PROBLEM with a person coming to UPS, walking into human resources and asking for a job and making it clear that they <strong>dont want</strong> to belong in the union. That being said, I will also add that the person who does this would need to negotiate there own starting salary and benefit package and <strong>SHOULD NOT</strong> benefit from the others who contributed to the dues paying process which negotiated a current contract.</p><p> </p><p>The individual should negotiate directly with UPS and establish starting pay, rasise schedules, vacations, sick time, paid for time, hours, pensions, health care and job security.</p><p> </p><p>NO INDIVIDUAL who would enter a union shop and negotiate on their own behalf should ever benefit from the benefit of seniority. So, these individuals would be the first to be layed off.</p><p> </p><p>If a person actually "walked the walk" instead of "talking the talk", they would find out that they would make alot less, work less hours, have literally no vacation time or sick pay, have no guarateed hours and would never see a raise with buying a new set of kneepads every 16 months.</p><p> </p><p>It amazes me how many people believe they can walk into a union shop that has a current contract, refuse to be a member, but believe they deserve to benefit from the negotiated contract.</p><p> </p><p>Those dues pay for many things. At each local level, the dues are separated and some goes to the local and some to the international.</p><p> </p><p>At the local, there are many things that need to be payed for monthly. </p><p> </p><p>One of the most important things the local pays for is legal representation monthly. This can range anywhere from 10k a month to 20k depending on the size of the local and the industries it represents. There is also staffing and office management that has to be payed for.</p><p> </p><p>Your dues do alot more than pay for your specific problems.</p><p> </p><p>When the time comes, all the other members who pay dues may end up paying for your defense so you can get your job back. What if they refuse to pay for that? Would you just leave the company?</p><p> </p><p>Your dues ARE what represent you, that little book called the contract that provides you guaranteed hours, vacation time, sick pay, scheduled raises and the ability to promote are what your dues pay for.</p><p> </p><p>In 2013, your dues will pay for an armada of TEAMSTER personnel to negotiate the next contract, or maybe you would like to negotiate it for yourself?</p><p> </p><p>Get over the anti-union rhetoric. You sound silly.</p><p> </p><p>Both of your posts clearly demonstrate your lack of understanding and I hope I've cleared it up for you.</p><p> </p><p>Its a bitter pill, but I dont have any other way of explaining it to you.</p><p> </p><p>You are in a brotherhood, and that cost money.</p><p> </p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/batman.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":batman2:" title="Batman :batman2:" data-shortname=":batman2:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 540911, member: 17969"] Chopstic, First, I will have to point out that your understanding of why you pay union dues is way off base. You clearly dont understand the Union concept or what the union does for you and every other member. While its understandable for me to know why you dont understand, you must take the time to learn what the Union does for everyone. Rather than just simplify dues to you personally, you must understand WHAT the dues pay for. First, let me be clear, if your position is an anti-union one, then I feel no respect for you. I have NO PROBLEM with a person coming to UPS, walking into human resources and asking for a job and making it clear that they [B]dont want[/B] to belong in the union. That being said, I will also add that the person who does this would need to negotiate there own starting salary and benefit package and [B]SHOULD NOT[/B] benefit from the others who contributed to the dues paying process which negotiated a current contract. The individual should negotiate directly with UPS and establish starting pay, rasise schedules, vacations, sick time, paid for time, hours, pensions, health care and job security. NO INDIVIDUAL who would enter a union shop and negotiate on their own behalf should ever benefit from the benefit of seniority. So, these individuals would be the first to be layed off. If a person actually "walked the walk" instead of "talking the talk", they would find out that they would make alot less, work less hours, have literally no vacation time or sick pay, have no guarateed hours and would never see a raise with buying a new set of kneepads every 16 months. It amazes me how many people believe they can walk into a union shop that has a current contract, refuse to be a member, but believe they deserve to benefit from the negotiated contract. Those dues pay for many things. At each local level, the dues are separated and some goes to the local and some to the international. At the local, there are many things that need to be payed for monthly. One of the most important things the local pays for is legal representation monthly. This can range anywhere from 10k a month to 20k depending on the size of the local and the industries it represents. There is also staffing and office management that has to be payed for. Your dues do alot more than pay for your specific problems. When the time comes, all the other members who pay dues may end up paying for your defense so you can get your job back. What if they refuse to pay for that? Would you just leave the company? Your dues ARE what represent you, that little book called the contract that provides you guaranteed hours, vacation time, sick pay, scheduled raises and the ability to promote are what your dues pay for. In 2013, your dues will pay for an armada of TEAMSTER personnel to negotiate the next contract, or maybe you would like to negotiate it for yourself? Get over the anti-union rhetoric. You sound silly. Both of your posts clearly demonstrate your lack of understanding and I hope I've cleared it up for you. Its a bitter pill, but I dont have any other way of explaining it to you. You are in a brotherhood, and that cost money. :batman2: [/QUOTE]
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