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<blockquote data-quote="twoweeled" data-source="post: 2151896" data-attributes="member: 27108"><p>Lot of opinions here, but I wonder how many of them actually file anything. There are some good ideas, and I accept we have our own way of handling things. My thought was, you mention, "that's hourly work, and an hourly should be doing that work". The sup should stop - HE WON"T. That was the talk. Now you file. If you want, you can just go straight to file, and not mention it. Sometimes in the grievance, the manager in a sincere tone will ask; why didn't you bring it to our attention"? I feel the better response is, 'I did, and the sup continued to work". If you like the response of; because I didn't have to". Well then go ahead. In my scenario, you don't leave room for the BA or Steward to say crap like; okay, we've warned them, and next time we'll expect payment". </p><p>The worse thing you can do, is start debating the issue. Don't explain it. Your not there to educate and explain the violation. You tell them - and your on your way to get the form. The violation has already taken place. Your just a nice guy and letting them know, THEY SCREWED UP. </p><p>What the majority of guys do, is go in, and start debating the issue. Arguing the violation. Threaten, bark bark bark - and no grievance. You've just let management know, your harmless and nothing but bark. Your the last guy they are going to ever listen to. </p><p>There is also no reason for any driver, to be in his car before his start time. NO REASON. If your rationalizing it with, I have to prepare this or that, so you can be in there a minute early. Then you are just part of the problem. I'm the guy you hated. I'm the guy who went in 1/2 hr, and walked to every car and took down names, and wrote grievances. They stopped the drivers after 3 weeks. Was expensive to pay. Just kept turning in the grievances every 3 days! </p><p>No threat. No barking, I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do that. Just repeated grievances. How many guys do you have in cars, prior to their start times, now? Probably more in cars, than standing at the center waiting for the PCM (if they have them anymore). I seen this for so many years. We cut our own throats, and we're too stupid to do anything about it. That's why the company is winning. </p><p>and you're losing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="twoweeled, post: 2151896, member: 27108"] Lot of opinions here, but I wonder how many of them actually file anything. There are some good ideas, and I accept we have our own way of handling things. My thought was, you mention, "that's hourly work, and an hourly should be doing that work". The sup should stop - HE WON"T. That was the talk. Now you file. If you want, you can just go straight to file, and not mention it. Sometimes in the grievance, the manager in a sincere tone will ask; why didn't you bring it to our attention"? I feel the better response is, 'I did, and the sup continued to work". If you like the response of; because I didn't have to". Well then go ahead. In my scenario, you don't leave room for the BA or Steward to say crap like; okay, we've warned them, and next time we'll expect payment". The worse thing you can do, is start debating the issue. Don't explain it. Your not there to educate and explain the violation. You tell them - and your on your way to get the form. The violation has already taken place. Your just a nice guy and letting them know, THEY SCREWED UP. What the majority of guys do, is go in, and start debating the issue. Arguing the violation. Threaten, bark bark bark - and no grievance. You've just let management know, your harmless and nothing but bark. Your the last guy they are going to ever listen to. There is also no reason for any driver, to be in his car before his start time. NO REASON. If your rationalizing it with, I have to prepare this or that, so you can be in there a minute early. Then you are just part of the problem. I'm the guy you hated. I'm the guy who went in 1/2 hr, and walked to every car and took down names, and wrote grievances. They stopped the drivers after 3 weeks. Was expensive to pay. Just kept turning in the grievances every 3 days! No threat. No barking, I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do that. Just repeated grievances. How many guys do you have in cars, prior to their start times, now? Probably more in cars, than standing at the center waiting for the PCM (if they have them anymore). I seen this for so many years. We cut our own throats, and we're too stupid to do anything about it. That's why the company is winning. and you're losing. [/QUOTE]
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