we are going live on telematics in the middle of this month. this is like ups best way to for sure fire an employee.. has anyone went live on this yet, if so tell me about it thanks . thagame
The bottom line is that if you are doing your job correctly you wont have anything to worry about.
I've been on telematics for two years and I love it. It makes me look like an ALLSTAR.
There was a guy from another center in our building that got fired for to many backing events!Not sure if there is more to the story,driver history...etc...I hope he gets his job back!
Telematics is not allowed to be used for discipline. It is far to unreliable. They will review your prior days events based on telematics but that is as far as it will go. Do not allow them to intimidate or harass you based on the telematics information. The Union does not recognize it for discipline same as we don't recognize over allowed. We have had it for a couple years now and no one has ever been disciplined from it.
This is exactly the WRONG advice to take with respect to telematics. There are people terminated all over the country exclusively from telematics information.
What was posted here is INCORRECT. "The Union does not recognize it for discipline"
This is probably the dumbest statement made on this board in a while.
Article 6 of the national master agreement ratified in 2008 states:
"no employee shall be discharged on a first offense if such discharge is based solely upon information recieved from gps or any successor system unless he/she engages in dishonesty (defined for the purposes of this paragraph as any act or omission by an employee where he/she intends to defraud the company).
An employee can simply close a next day air package on a different street if they cant make it by 1030 and then deliver it at 1033 and the company can use telematics to discharge the employee under article 6 language.
The Union opened this door in 2008 with this agreement. The caveat is defined between the parenthesis. Defrauding the company is a loose term that can be used in thousands of ways.
This has led to the terminations of many drivers in the UPS system through telematics.
All drivers should take this advice seriously.
DO NOT ATTEMPT to do business as usual. You must do the job correctly or the company WILL use this technology against you.
We were the first to go online with telematics in the country. So far, we have lost about 2 guys a month to telematic provided information.
At first, the company maintains that its use is for safety only, however, after a few shorts months, they make the transition to a full disciplinary tool.
Peace.
This is exactly the WRONG advice to take with respect to telematics. There are people terminated all over the country exclusively from telematics information.
What was posted here is INCORRECT. "The Union does not recognize it for discipline"
This is probably the dumbest statement made on this board in a while.
Article 6 of the national master agreement ratified in 2008 states:
"no employee shall be discharged on a first offense if such discharge is based solely upon information recieved from gps or any successor system unless he/she engages in dishonesty (defined for the purposes of this paragraph as any act or omission by an employee where he/she intends to defraud the company).
An employee can simply close a next day air package on a different street if they cant make it by 1030 and then deliver it at 1033 and the company can use telematics to discharge the employee under article 6 language.
The Union opened this door in 2008 with this agreement. The caveat is defined between the parenthesis. Defrauding the company is a loose term that can be used in thousands of ways.
This has led to the terminations of many drivers in the UPS system through telematics.
All drivers should take this advice seriously.
DO NOT ATTEMPT to do business as usual. You must do the job correctly or the company WILL use this technology against you.
We were the first to go online with telematics in the country. So far, we have lost about 2 guys a month to telematic provided information.
At first, the company maintains that its use is for safety only, however, after a few shorts months, they make the transition to a full disciplinary tool.
Peace.
If you carefully read article 6 with respect for the section I quoted, it states that an employee CANNOT be terminated on a FIRST OFFENSE from information obtained through GPS or Any other system (telematics).
What does this mean?
It means that the company cannot fire you the first time you are caught doing something or anything on telematics that doesnt comply with some company standard. However, the second, third fourth and so on, its fair game.
The window for this discipline is huge and no rider, supplement or MOU can protect a driver in the west.
Proven dishonesty in arbitration will be a cake walk for the company using the telematics data.
Dont believe that the language in the West will help you.
Guilty drivers always get brought back the first time, but the second one will stick.
Peace.
This is exactly the WRONG advice to take with respect to telematics. There are people terminated all over the country exclusively from telematics information.
What was posted here is INCORRECT. "The Union does not recognize it for discipline"
This is probably the dumbest statement made on this board in a while.
Article 6 of the national master agreement ratified in 2008 states:
"no employee shall be discharged on a first offense if such discharge is based solely upon information recieved from gps or any successor system unless he/she engages in dishonesty (defined for the purposes of this paragraph as any act or omission by an employee where he/she intends to defraud the company).
An employee can simply close a next day air package on a different street if they cant make it by 1030 and then deliver it at 1033 and the company can use telematics to discharge the employee under article 6 language.
The Union opened this door in 2008 with this agreement. The caveat is defined between the parenthesis. Defrauding the company is a loose term that can be used in thousands of ways.
This has led to the terminations of many drivers in the UPS system through telematics.
All drivers should take this advice seriously.
DO NOT ATTEMPT to do business as usual. You must do the job correctly or the company WILL use this technology against you.
We were the first to go online with telematics in the country. So far, we have lost about 2 guys a month to telematic provided information.
At first, the company maintains that its use is for safety only, however, after a few shorts months, they make the transition to a full disciplinary tool.
Peace.
It may be wrong somewhere I guess, If your local has allowed a termination based on telematics you have some serious problems. I can prove over 100 problems with telematics on a weekly basis and as such can have any discipline thrown out based on that. No one in my area of the country has ever been disciplined based on telematics. The only thing stupid here is that some local has allowed it to happen.
If you read his post throroughly, you will see he uses the words "telematic provided information" as the reason for the terminations and that the terminations were not based solely on this information but rather were the result of an investigation based upon this information.