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<blockquote data-quote="Mrs. UPS" data-source="post: 349406" data-attributes="member: 15248"><p>Hi everyone, it's been a month now and I thought I would come back and update.</p><p> </p><p>Things have not been good. My husband has only driven a handful of times in the past month. And not only that but they're sending him home from preload as well. He is averaging maybe 4 hours a week...at pre-load pay of course. It's been really, really stressful. We never really got any concrete answers from the Union nor Human Resources. The one positive thing that HR did say was that due to all the shuffelling around, mu husband was moved up a bit on the seniority list (driving list of course since he's not on a preload list) and if full time promotions continue on in the same way they are he may be looking at making full time driver around 4th quarter. She told him they were averaging 11-12 promotions a quarter. I don't know how true this, but it was at least good to hear. I wish I could tell you that we were more informed now and understood why UPS did what they did, but I can't. So I'm back here hoping for help <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy2.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy2:" title="Happy2 :happy2:" data-shortname=":happy2:" /></p><p> </p><p>Let me try and answer some questions that were posted after my last post. </p><p> </p><p>QUOTE<<<span style="color: #0000ff">Be carefull. Brownshark is knowledable but he also appears to be making a lot of assumptions based on the few details you have so far given.</span></p><p><span style="color: #0000ff"></span></p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">question how long has he been working this full time job? Did I read right? Has he been working the job for two years? Was he carried on his centers seniority list the entire time? How many total days has he worked this job?</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">Brownie is well versed but if your husband has been working the job for two years then this issue gets a lot stickier in his favor.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">Brownie how does the ole 30 in 90 language apply? >></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #0000ff"><span style="color: black">You did read right. He has worked full time for 2 years. To be exact the 19th of this month will be exactly 2 years. Yes he was carried on the seniority list. Granted, he was towards the bottom, but on the list. Every day of the 2 years was worked as a driver except for the first 3 weeks after driving school. </span> </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue">QUOTE<<He spent almost 2 yrs in package, now he reports to preload and is classified in his true classification as a preloader. In January, where does he select vacation? If he was a true cover driver, he would select in package at the bottom of the seniority list. However, he is <strong>NOT</strong> a cover driver/preloader, he instead was hired for a position that did not or does not exist.</span></p><p><span style="color: blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: blue">Therefore, he would have to select in preload, but wait, he worked 2yrs, how could he be at the bottom of the seniority pole in preload if he worked for 2 yrs? But then again, how could he be higher than preloaders who worked preload for those same 2 yrs??</span></p><p><span style="color: blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: blue">This is the problem. Where do you place him in seniority? If he was assigned to preload and never spent a day in preload, what is his seniority date, and further, what is his rate of pay and where is he in progression? >></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #000000">Brown Shark, this vacation talk is interesting. When my husband chose his 2 weeks of vacation this January he chose from the driver list. He has never even seen a preload vacation list or any preload paperwork at all for that matter. I'm not sure what this could mean for our situation, but I thought it might help you to give me the right trail to follow. </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue">QUOTE<<Mrs. UPS, what local union is your husband a member? Maybe then BrownShark , can nail down some more specific details that would indeed help your husband.>></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black">He is a member of Local 767</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue">QUOTE<<You have the right to go do 3 1/2 hours on some shift each day. Then there is maybe helping out on Sat. air.>></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black">I'm a little confused. Does this mean that he is guaranteed 3 1/2 hours a day? That would be huge right now. He would hate to know I posted this, but his check was only $40 this week. They sent him home 4 days out of 5 and only let him work a few hours the one day. <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/dissapointed.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":dissapointed:" title="Disappointed :dissapointed:" data-shortname=":dissapointed:" /></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue">QUOTE<<Mrs. UPS</span></p><p><span style="color: blue">In your comments about the timeline, you state that after driving school, he worked in the warehouse for 3 weeks. Did he work part time hours for the 3 weeks? Which shift? Maybe thats where the classification for working the preload came from.>> </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black">Yes he did work part time hours. The 3am-8am shift....which incidentally is also the shift they have him on now. </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #000000">This question too reminds me of something I think is fishy about the whole situation....He doesn't clock in when he goes to preload. The sup tol dhim that should he log in like the other preloaders then he would automatically get paid at driver pay. So when they actually let him work he has to write his hours down on a piece of paper and give them tot he sup. That seems really odd to me......</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #000000">I want to end by thanking you all so much for your advice and help. I must say that this forum has been 110% more helpful than anything or anyone else I've found. Moreso even than our local or UPS for that matter....and that's really sad. <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/sad-little.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":sad-little:" title="Sad Little :sad-little:" data-shortname=":sad-little:" /></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #000000">Mrs. UPS</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mrs. UPS, post: 349406, member: 15248"] Hi everyone, it's been a month now and I thought I would come back and update. Things have not been good. My husband has only driven a handful of times in the past month. And not only that but they're sending him home from preload as well. He is averaging maybe 4 hours a week...at pre-load pay of course. It's been really, really stressful. We never really got any concrete answers from the Union nor Human Resources. The one positive thing that HR did say was that due to all the shuffelling around, mu husband was moved up a bit on the seniority list (driving list of course since he's not on a preload list) and if full time promotions continue on in the same way they are he may be looking at making full time driver around 4th quarter. She told him they were averaging 11-12 promotions a quarter. I don't know how true this, but it was at least good to hear. I wish I could tell you that we were more informed now and understood why UPS did what they did, but I can't. So I'm back here hoping for help :happy2: Let me try and answer some questions that were posted after my last post. QUOTE<<[COLOR=#0000ff]Be carefull. Brownshark is knowledable but he also appears to be making a lot of assumptions based on the few details you have so far given. question how long has he been working this full time job? Did I read right? Has he been working the job for two years? Was he carried on his centers seniority list the entire time? How many total days has he worked this job?[/COLOR] [COLOR=#0000ff]Brownie is well versed but if your husband has been working the job for two years then this issue gets a lot stickier in his favor.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#0000ff]Brownie how does the ole 30 in 90 language apply? >>[/COLOR] [COLOR=#0000ff][COLOR=black]You did read right. He has worked full time for 2 years. To be exact the 19th of this month will be exactly 2 years. Yes he was carried on the seniority list. Granted, he was towards the bottom, but on the list. Every day of the 2 years was worked as a driver except for the first 3 weeks after driving school. [/COLOR] [/COLOR] [COLOR=#0000ff][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue]QUOTE<<He spent almost 2 yrs in package, now he reports to preload and is classified in his true classification as a preloader. In January, where does he select vacation? If he was a true cover driver, he would select in package at the bottom of the seniority list. However, he is [B]NOT[/B] a cover driver/preloader, he instead was hired for a position that did not or does not exist. Therefore, he would have to select in preload, but wait, he worked 2yrs, how could he be at the bottom of the seniority pole in preload if he worked for 2 yrs? But then again, how could he be higher than preloaders who worked preload for those same 2 yrs?? This is the problem. Where do you place him in seniority? If he was assigned to preload and never spent a day in preload, what is his seniority date, and further, what is his rate of pay and where is he in progression? >>[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]Brown Shark, this vacation talk is interesting. When my husband chose his 2 weeks of vacation this January he chose from the driver list. He has never even seen a preload vacation list or any preload paperwork at all for that matter. I'm not sure what this could mean for our situation, but I thought it might help you to give me the right trail to follow. [/COLOR] [COLOR=blue]QUOTE<<Mrs. UPS, what local union is your husband a member? Maybe then BrownShark , can nail down some more specific details that would indeed help your husband.>>[/COLOR] [COLOR=#0000ff][/COLOR] [COLOR=black]He is a member of Local 767[/COLOR] [COLOR=blue]QUOTE<<You have the right to go do 3 1/2 hours on some shift each day. Then there is maybe helping out on Sat. air.>>[/COLOR] [COLOR=#0000ff][/COLOR] [COLOR=black]I'm a little confused. Does this mean that he is guaranteed 3 1/2 hours a day? That would be huge right now. He would hate to know I posted this, but his check was only $40 this week. They sent him home 4 days out of 5 and only let him work a few hours the one day. :dissapointed:[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue]QUOTE<<Mrs. UPS In your comments about the timeline, you state that after driving school, he worked in the warehouse for 3 weeks. Did he work part time hours for the 3 weeks? Which shift? Maybe thats where the classification for working the preload came from.>> [/COLOR] [COLOR=#0000ff][/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Yes he did work part time hours. The 3am-8am shift....which incidentally is also the shift they have him on now. [/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]This question too reminds me of something I think is fishy about the whole situation....He doesn't clock in when he goes to preload. The sup tol dhim that should he log in like the other preloaders then he would automatically get paid at driver pay. So when they actually let him work he has to write his hours down on a piece of paper and give them tot he sup. That seems really odd to me......[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]I want to end by thanking you all so much for your advice and help. I must say that this forum has been 110% more helpful than anything or anyone else I've found. Moreso even than our local or UPS for that matter....and that's really sad. :sad-little:[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]Mrs. UPS[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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