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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 707387" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Not a direct part of the topic but watching Washington Journal this morning on C-Span they covered an article where the US is making direct cash payments to Pakistanis as a means to pull them over to the US cause. So we're using welfare and income re-distribution to get a leg up over there? Where are the Dogs of War who "let cry" but then howl to the moon when gov't takes up the welfare and income re-distribution stick. Just a few weeks ago the US Agency for International Development (USAID) announcing what is nothing more than a large welfare payment transfer to Pakistan and yet not a peep from GI Joe and da boys. Murray Rothbard was dead on when he said "Welfare and Warfare are the health of the State" and is it not ironic that in the last century as the US built a global warfare policy, the domestic gov't control of all things economic have grown as well along side. Yet as I said, the silence against welfare (income redistribution) used for a military goal of nothing more than resource control is deafening!</p><p></p><p>OK, to the thread topic.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'll assume by your quote above you didn't read the linked article at the thread <a href="http://www.browncafe.com/forum/f13/fear-his-panic-311079/" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">The Fear of His-Panic</span></a> because had you I'm not sure you'd have thrown out that 1/3rd figure so easily but then again, why let truth get in the way, right?</p><p></p><p>From the article at it's summation:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.amconmag.com/article/2010/mar/01/00022/" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">from the March 1,2010 issue of The American Conservative entitled His-Panic</span></a></p><p></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="color: #000000">You are correct that any incarceration no matter the crime is a cost burden on the taxpayer but here's the question ignoring all other factors and looking at it purely from an economic one. You can arrest them and incarcerate with a known and likely growing cost to the taxpayer (deportation on taxpayer dime does not seem to stop them from coming back) or you can let them work and collect taxes from them. Now that is purely an economic question not taking in other issues or concerns but which is more cost effective?</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="color: #000000">This is true to some degree and you might also argue that they "might" displace a native born US citizen jobwise but that arguement has pros and cons too just as the "cost of billions" will. Illegals do pay taxes and therefore you have to factor in what they throw into the public pot and then balance that out to determine a net figure and whether it's in the black or red. As for the public assistance, did the illegals create the public assistance programs to begin with so they could benefit? Did they manipulate the elective process somehow to get such freebies and benefits? Who was it that elected the very people, that championed their political cause, that ran down every time the polls opened like Pavlov's dogs to vote for them in the first place? Was it the illegals? You were the ones <a href="http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/rma/lowres/rman2212l.jpg" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">conned </span></a>in all this so don't blame the illegals because you voted to help build the system in the first place. At the very best, the illegals saw a sign that sez, "Get your Freebies Here, form a line" and in line they got but I wonder how many illegals actually try and stay as much as possible under the radar instead of dead in the bullseye?</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="color: #000000">The illegals to a degree (not convinced as great as claimed) have benefitted from a federal welfare system, often imposed as unfunded mandates at state and local levels and if you want to stop that, it's time to tell the federal gov't this is not their function and end this application of their power and our money. Going to a known drug dealer and begging for help to stop your addiction and leaving them in charge of you "Going Clean" program is not going to work. Housing, Education, Medicalcare, etc. at the very least on a collective scale should be a purely local function where adminstration costs are much lower (pure factor of scale) and the ability and incentive to meet a direct need better with the goal of completion, not continuation and exploitation, has a much better chance of being met.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="color: #000000">If you guys think that doing the same thing over, and over and over again will garner success and, (dare I say it) "change" you are only kidding yourselves. Sure, you got Nov. 2010 coming up and you're all gitty of the prospects but changing from one pair of dirty underwear to another pair of dirty underwear is not real change and will in the end still leave you stinking and sitting in your own <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/censored2.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":censored2:" title="Censored2 :censored2:" data-shortname=":censored2:" />!</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: red"><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/peaceful.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":peaceful:" title="Peaceful :peaceful:" data-shortname=":peaceful:" /></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 707387, member: 2189"] Not a direct part of the topic but watching Washington Journal this morning on C-Span they covered an article where the US is making direct cash payments to Pakistanis as a means to pull them over to the US cause. So we're using welfare and income re-distribution to get a leg up over there? Where are the Dogs of War who "let cry" but then howl to the moon when gov't takes up the welfare and income re-distribution stick. Just a few weeks ago the US Agency for International Development (USAID) announcing what is nothing more than a large welfare payment transfer to Pakistan and yet not a peep from GI Joe and da boys. Murray Rothbard was dead on when he said "Welfare and Warfare are the health of the State" and is it not ironic that in the last century as the US built a global warfare policy, the domestic gov't control of all things economic have grown as well along side. Yet as I said, the silence against welfare (income redistribution) used for a military goal of nothing more than resource control is deafening! OK, to the thread topic. I'll assume by your quote above you didn't read the linked article at the thread [URL='http://www.browncafe.com/forum/f13/fear-his-panic-311079/'][COLOR=red]The Fear of His-Panic[/COLOR][/URL] because had you I'm not sure you'd have thrown out that 1/3rd figure so easily but then again, why let truth get in the way, right? From the article at it's summation: [URL='http://www.amconmag.com/article/2010/mar/01/00022/'][COLOR=red]from the March 1,2010 issue of The American Conservative entitled His-Panic[/COLOR][/URL] [COLOR=red][COLOR=#000000]You are correct that any incarceration no matter the crime is a cost burden on the taxpayer but here's the question ignoring all other factors and looking at it purely from an economic one. You can arrest them and incarcerate with a known and likely growing cost to the taxpayer (deportation on taxpayer dime does not seem to stop them from coming back) or you can let them work and collect taxes from them. Now that is purely an economic question not taking in other issues or concerns but which is more cost effective?[/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][COLOR=#000000][/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][COLOR=#000000]This is true to some degree and you might also argue that they "might" displace a native born US citizen jobwise but that arguement has pros and cons too just as the "cost of billions" will. Illegals do pay taxes and therefore you have to factor in what they throw into the public pot and then balance that out to determine a net figure and whether it's in the black or red. As for the public assistance, did the illegals create the public assistance programs to begin with so they could benefit? Did they manipulate the elective process somehow to get such freebies and benefits? Who was it that elected the very people, that championed their political cause, that ran down every time the polls opened like Pavlov's dogs to vote for them in the first place? Was it the illegals? You were the ones [URL='http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/rma/lowres/rman2212l.jpg'][COLOR=red]conned [/COLOR][/URL]in all this so don't blame the illegals because you voted to help build the system in the first place. At the very best, the illegals saw a sign that sez, "Get your Freebies Here, form a line" and in line they got but I wonder how many illegals actually try and stay as much as possible under the radar instead of dead in the bullseye?[/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][COLOR=#000000]The illegals to a degree (not convinced as great as claimed) have benefitted from a federal welfare system, often imposed as unfunded mandates at state and local levels and if you want to stop that, it's time to tell the federal gov't this is not their function and end this application of their power and our money. Going to a known drug dealer and begging for help to stop your addiction and leaving them in charge of you "Going Clean" program is not going to work. Housing, Education, Medicalcare, etc. at the very least on a collective scale should be a purely local function where adminstration costs are much lower (pure factor of scale) and the ability and incentive to meet a direct need better with the goal of completion, not continuation and exploitation, has a much better chance of being met.[/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][COLOR=#000000]If you guys think that doing the same thing over, and over and over again will garner success and, (dare I say it) "change" you are only kidding yourselves. Sure, you got Nov. 2010 coming up and you're all gitty of the prospects but changing from one pair of dirty underwear to another pair of dirty underwear is not real change and will in the end still leave you stinking and sitting in your own :censored:![/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR=red]:peaceful:[/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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