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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 1441488" data-attributes="member: 17969"><p>I love these kinds of "irrational" posts.</p><p></p><p>First, lets get one thing perfectly straight. RH could not have done anything about the terms of the contract. At the International level, they were going to pass this contract whether or not we approved it or not.</p><p></p><p>This, they knew from the jump, so did RH.</p><p></p><p>RG would have had a ZERO factor/influence/difference in the outcome of the last contract. The IBT had its plans already in motion.</p><p></p><p>We could have screamed and yelled and voted it down, and it STILL would have been ratified by the IBT.</p><p></p><p>This is something I talked about long before it even happened and some of you rejected.</p><p></p><p>To suggest that RG would have stood up to the IBT is laughable at best. He couldnt even save himself the embarrassment of getting tossed into the street in las vegas when it affected him directly. Now THAT is more representative of his ability to deal with a tough situation. His record is crystal clear, he got himself tossed out of the UPS yards, and followed that up by getting tossed out of the Ballys hotel in Las Vegas.</p><p></p><p>Now, Lets talk about taking a stand. </p><p></p><p>Lets say RH told the IBT, "i dont support this contract and I will ask my members to vote it down", what would the IBT have done? Would they have changed their minds? </p><p></p><p>On the other hand, lets say RH came to us and told us to vote it down, that puts him in the awkward position of telling us one thing, then having to vote with the IBT on ratification without the support of the members.</p><p></p><p>Either way, he was screwed along with the rest of us, but thats the way it worked out.</p><p></p><p>If for one second, you think RG would have made a difference, then you are really out of touch with his abilities.</p><p></p><p>The only thing that would have happened, is that JH would have put him out in the hall while the big boys voted.</p><p></p><p>It would be the third time he got tossed out of someplace.</p><p></p><p>TOS.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 1441488, member: 17969"] I love these kinds of "irrational" posts. First, lets get one thing perfectly straight. RH could not have done anything about the terms of the contract. At the International level, they were going to pass this contract whether or not we approved it or not. This, they knew from the jump, so did RH. RG would have had a ZERO factor/influence/difference in the outcome of the last contract. The IBT had its plans already in motion. We could have screamed and yelled and voted it down, and it STILL would have been ratified by the IBT. This is something I talked about long before it even happened and some of you rejected. To suggest that RG would have stood up to the IBT is laughable at best. He couldnt even save himself the embarrassment of getting tossed into the street in las vegas when it affected him directly. Now THAT is more representative of his ability to deal with a tough situation. His record is crystal clear, he got himself tossed out of the UPS yards, and followed that up by getting tossed out of the Ballys hotel in Las Vegas. Now, Lets talk about taking a stand. Lets say RH told the IBT, "i dont support this contract and I will ask my members to vote it down", what would the IBT have done? Would they have changed their minds? On the other hand, lets say RH came to us and told us to vote it down, that puts him in the awkward position of telling us one thing, then having to vote with the IBT on ratification without the support of the members. Either way, he was screwed along with the rest of us, but thats the way it worked out. If for one second, you think RG would have made a difference, then you are really out of touch with his abilities. The only thing that would have happened, is that JH would have put him out in the hall while the big boys voted. It would be the third time he got tossed out of someplace. TOS. [/QUOTE]
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