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<blockquote data-quote="dannyboy" data-source="post: 400075" data-attributes="member: 484"><p>if you are told you are going to get a warning letter, and nothing comes in the mail in a timely manner, then you did not get a warning letter. they only threatened.</p><p> </p><p>If they send one out and for what ever reason you did not pick it up or it was otherwise undeliverable, then they still have proof they sent it out in a timely manner, and the burden of proof that they didnt would fall on the union employee.</p><p> </p><p>after you recieve the warning letter, you have a certain time, which might vary from place to place. if you do not respond in a timely manner, then ups and the union will assume that it is something you agree with, and they will use it against you at a later date.</p><p> </p><p>now, as for the magical 9 month rule, there are times when an employee has a chronic problem that he has been getting warning letters about. if the problem persists, they can and do go back further than 9 months to show a consistant pattern with that employee and the problem. this pattern, while not always something to get fired over, can cause problems when appealing your case at arbitration. the worse they can make you look, and the more issues they can show you have been having, the better the case for the company. and trust me, in front of the arbitrator, ups's labor team will make you look as bad as thney can. nothing personal, its their job. just like its the unions job to find areas where the company screwed up.</p><p> </p><p>Dont give them a case.</p><p> </p><p>warning letters in you file without proof that they sent a copy to you via certified mail, means nothing. unless of course you signed something which as a rule of thumb you should never do without union representation.</p><p> </p><p>As for some computer crap they let you see, that is not your file. you have a contractual right to see your file, and have the right to contest things in your file that are not correct, or dont belong there. use that right.</p><p> </p><p>there are some centers where a warning letter really means something, they only hand them out when really needed. in other centers with paper loving managers with nothing better to do.........all i can say is this too shall pass. but until then file on the letters.</p><p> </p><p>d</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dannyboy, post: 400075, member: 484"] if you are told you are going to get a warning letter, and nothing comes in the mail in a timely manner, then you did not get a warning letter. they only threatened. If they send one out and for what ever reason you did not pick it up or it was otherwise undeliverable, then they still have proof they sent it out in a timely manner, and the burden of proof that they didnt would fall on the union employee. after you recieve the warning letter, you have a certain time, which might vary from place to place. if you do not respond in a timely manner, then ups and the union will assume that it is something you agree with, and they will use it against you at a later date. now, as for the magical 9 month rule, there are times when an employee has a chronic problem that he has been getting warning letters about. if the problem persists, they can and do go back further than 9 months to show a consistant pattern with that employee and the problem. this pattern, while not always something to get fired over, can cause problems when appealing your case at arbitration. the worse they can make you look, and the more issues they can show you have been having, the better the case for the company. and trust me, in front of the arbitrator, ups's labor team will make you look as bad as thney can. nothing personal, its their job. just like its the unions job to find areas where the company screwed up. Dont give them a case. warning letters in you file without proof that they sent a copy to you via certified mail, means nothing. unless of course you signed something which as a rule of thumb you should never do without union representation. As for some computer crap they let you see, that is not your file. you have a contractual right to see your file, and have the right to contest things in your file that are not correct, or dont belong there. use that right. there are some centers where a warning letter really means something, they only hand them out when really needed. in other centers with paper loving managers with nothing better to do.........all i can say is this too shall pass. but until then file on the letters. d [/QUOTE]
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