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<blockquote data-quote="beentheredonethat" data-source="post: 968187" data-attributes="member: 4886"><p>My dad used to always tell me, figure don't lie, but liars sure do figure. Personally I believe that the average person (be it white\black, man\woman, straight\gay) are on average equal. If you look at jobs where pay is based on various factors including performance, longevity, special skills etc. I think the majority of companies pay the same no matter if it's a man\woman in the job. I know there are exceptions to this. But on average I believe this is true. This comes now to what my dad told me. If all you do is compare salary of people and apply it to an average you will get skewed results. For example, if you take 2 people one man and one woman who hold basically the same job for the same company they have the same degree and have similar\same performance results and they are both 40 years old. They also both are in a management type position (not a union job) You should expect to see the same salary for both people. However, if the woman took 10 years off from an office job to raise her child. (Which by the way I think is a very difficult job itself and very important for the child (IMO)). Then she would have 10 years experience vs 20 years of experience for the man. Then in this case, yes, the guy should make more since he has 10 more years of experience on the job. To me that is still fair.</p><p></p><p>Also, if you look at a lot of those studies, you may find that the comparison isn't comparing same jobs\same work experience etc of men vs women. Just comparing average salary of men vs women. Now, there are many jobs that tend to be dominated by women. Teaching for example is a profession that is dominated by women. Unfortunately, we don't pay the teachers what they really deserve (again IMO). So this alone negatively impacts the average salary of women by these teachers choosing to do a very important job that unfortunately doesn't pay too well. </p><p></p><p>I very rarely believe statistics and numbers without seeing the backup data. It's too easy to make the figures look any way you want.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="beentheredonethat, post: 968187, member: 4886"] My dad used to always tell me, figure don't lie, but liars sure do figure. Personally I believe that the average person (be it white\black, man\woman, straight\gay) are on average equal. If you look at jobs where pay is based on various factors including performance, longevity, special skills etc. I think the majority of companies pay the same no matter if it's a man\woman in the job. I know there are exceptions to this. But on average I believe this is true. This comes now to what my dad told me. If all you do is compare salary of people and apply it to an average you will get skewed results. For example, if you take 2 people one man and one woman who hold basically the same job for the same company they have the same degree and have similar\same performance results and they are both 40 years old. They also both are in a management type position (not a union job) You should expect to see the same salary for both people. However, if the woman took 10 years off from an office job to raise her child. (Which by the way I think is a very difficult job itself and very important for the child (IMO)). Then she would have 10 years experience vs 20 years of experience for the man. Then in this case, yes, the guy should make more since he has 10 more years of experience on the job. To me that is still fair. Also, if you look at a lot of those studies, you may find that the comparison isn't comparing same jobs\same work experience etc of men vs women. Just comparing average salary of men vs women. Now, there are many jobs that tend to be dominated by women. Teaching for example is a profession that is dominated by women. Unfortunately, we don't pay the teachers what they really deserve (again IMO). So this alone negatively impacts the average salary of women by these teachers choosing to do a very important job that unfortunately doesn't pay too well. I very rarely believe statistics and numbers without seeing the backup data. It's too easy to make the figures look any way you want. [/QUOTE]
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