This is how much O loves our Vets?

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by chev, Mar 17, 2009.

  1. chev

    chev Nightcrawler

    WASHINGTON, March 16 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The leader of the nation's largest veterans organization says he is "deeply disappointed and concerned" after a meeting with President Obama today to discuss a proposal to force private insurance companies to pay for the treatment of military veterans who have suffered service-connected disabilities and injuries. The Obama administration recently revealed a plan to require private insurance carriers to reimburse the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) in such cases. :angry:
    "It became apparent during our discussion today that the President intends to move forward with this unreasonable plan," said Commander David K. Rehbein of The American Legion. "He says he is looking to generate $540-million by this method, but refused to hear arguments about the moral and government-avowed obligations that would be compromised by it."
    The Commander, clearly angered as he emerged from the session said, "This reimbursement plan would be inconsistent with the mandate ' to care for him who shall have borne the battle' given that the United States government sent members of the armed forces into harm's way, and not private insurance companies. I say again that The American Legion does not and will not support any plan that seeks to bill a veteran for treatment of a service connected disability at the very agency that was created to treat the unique need of America's veterans!"
    Commander Rehbein was among a group of senior officials from veterans service organizations joining the President, White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emmanuel, Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki and Steven Kosiak, the overseer of defense spending at the Office of Management and Budget (OMB). The group's early afternoon conversation at The White House was precipitated by a letter of protest presented to the President earlier this month. The letter, co-signed by Commander Rehbein and the heads of ten colleague organizations, read, in part, " There is simply no logical explanation for billing a veteran's personal insurance for care that the VA has a responsibility to provide. While we understand the fiscal difficulties this country faces right now, placing the burden of those fiscal problems on the men and women who have already sacrificed a great deal for this country is unconscionable."
    Commander Rehbein reiterated points made last week in testimony to both House and Senate Veterans' Affairs Committees. It was stated then that The American Legion believes that the reimbursement plan would be inconsistent with the mandate that VA treat service-connected injuries and disabilities given that the United States government sends members of the armed forces into harm's way, and not private insurance companies. The proposed requirement for these companies to reimburse the VA would not only be unfair, says the Legion, but would have an adverse impact on service-connected disabled veterans and their families. The Legion argues that, depending on the severity of the medical conditions involved, maximum insurance coverage limits could be reached through treatment of the veteran's condition alone. That would leave the rest of the family without health care benefits. The Legion also points out that many health insurance companies require deductibles to be paid before any benefits are covered. Additionally, the Legion is concerned that private insurance premiums would be elevated to cover service-connected disabled veterans and their families, especially if the veterans are self-employed or employed in small businesses unable to negotiate more favorable across-the-board insurance policy pricing. The American Legion also believes that some employers, especially small businesses, would be reluctant to hire veterans with service-connected disabilities due to the negative impact their employment might have on obtaining and financing company health care benefits.
    "I got the distinct impression that the only hope of this plan not being enacted," said Commander Rehbein, "is for an alternative plan to be developed that would generate the desired $540-million in revenue. The American Legion has long advocated for Medicare reimbursement to VA for the treatment of veterans. This, we believe, would more easily meet the President's financial goal. We will present that idea in an anticipated conference call with White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emmanuel in the near future.
    "I only hope the administration will really listen to us then. This matter has far more serious ramifications than the President is imagining,"
    concluded the Commander.

    Way to go "O". A change we can believe in for sure. I guess funding Acorn was wayyy more important than taking care of our warriors.

    Last edited: Mar 17, 2009
  2. Sammie

    Sammie Well-Known Member

    And this guy is Commander-in-Chief of our Military...:sick:

    First of all, unless one is high ranking, the military doesn't pay all that well.
    So add to that the additional cost of health insurance for an injured soldier, who has to be in good health to purchase it in the first place.

    What happened to the moral obligation of caring for our voluntary forces who, because of pride of country, sign up and risk their lives for the rest of us? :dissapointed:

    Was O. in a coma during the Walter Reed scandals? Or when wounded soldiers were being billed for “unearned enlistment/reenlistment bonuses” when their separations from the Army were caused by wounds and injuries in battle that prevented them from completing their full enlistment/re-enlistment terms?

    This guy needs to tour the V.A. hospitals in this country and look dead in the eye the people he's letting down. Meet the amputees. Spend a day in a burn unit.
  3. ajblakejr

    ajblakejr Age quod agis

  4. Sammie

    Sammie Well-Known Member

  5. Baba gounj

    Baba gounj pensioner

    Is this the change we now want ?

    Will this also apply to his civilian force ?

    Why can illegals get free medical , but our veterans will be required to pay ?

    Time to wake up & throw this bum out.
  6. chev

    chev Nightcrawler

    I have the solution. Simply have our troops take off their helmet and put on a sombrero.
  7. Sammie

    Sammie Well-Known Member

    Why didn't O. make such information clear during his campaign???

    Insurance companies don't send our troops all over the world to keep us safe, the government does..??..??..??..:crazy2:

    This most recent political calculation will only earn him another low
    score when and if he realizes that the American people love and
    respect their Military and attempting to become stingy with them
    hopefully won't fly.
  8. chev

    chev Nightcrawler

  9. Sammie

    Sammie Well-Known Member

    A Must See...

  10. diesel96

    diesel96 New Member

    If I remember correctly, Ex Pres Bush and most of the posters here who supported the foreign policies and lies that lead up to the invasion of Iraq, also supported his ban of televising/photographing our beloved dead soldiers caskets and funerals. Ironicly now, many Conservatives here, now find it appropriate to use this imagery that they found so offensive back then, as a tool to falsely claim the new Adm hates our troops....WOW

    Just one ex-soldiers take on "How much Obama loves our Vets"

    All these troops flooding home, and becoming veterans with complex medical and mental injuries overwhelmed the VA, which had not been prepped for the influx, leading then-Secretary Nicholson to admit to Congress that his department was underfunded by billions, and that he needed emergency funds. To this day, veterans still struggle to get care. That lack of care not only has left many veterans struggling with painful physical injuries, but also many who could not cope with the mental toll. Far too many veterans who need PTSD counseling are instead diagnosed with "adjustment disorder," which absolves the VA from treating or providing disability benefits. Homeless veterans, drug and alcohol addicted vets, crumbling marriages, and more has been the result.
    So why do I look ahead with some optimism? Because we finally have a president who gets it.
    President Obama's administration has increased the veterans budget by $25 billion over five years, and by $1.2 billion more than even recommended by the Independent Budget (the VA budget suggested by the nation's veterans organizations). His VA is announcing construction of new veterans hospitals and medical centers, providing more convenient and better care to veterans around the country. For all the brouhaha this past week over a proposal on VA health care which actually was never proposed by the administration, this administration already is one of the most pro-veteran ones we've ever had.

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  11. av8torntn

    av8torntn Well-Known Member


    Who are you saying made the proposal? Why did the Obama regime withdraw this proposal if they never made it? Why did they claim they made the proposal to save funds if they never made this proposal?

    My take. I would like to see the entire VA system shut down. I think it would be far more efficient to provide some type of insurance so doctors could compete for these dollars. Our veterans could then seek out the best available care not some government wasteland.
  12. Sammie

    Sammie Well-Known Member

    They don't hate our troops, they merely find them inconsequential.

    O. sat there and listened for how many years as Jeremiah Wright explained what a great country this is.

    O. visited Iraq and Europe on the campaign trail and turned down an chance to meet with injured troops in a German hospital.

    O. became the only Pres in 50 years to skip the one event lacking celebrities, if you will; The Salute to Heroes Inaugural Ball honoring 48 Medal of Honor recipients (the highest honor in our service) - the same recipients who made it possible for you to safely type your leftist remarks right here, the same event where he should have gone out of his way to honor those who died for his freedom... if he was even born here.

    This ball was sponsored by the American Legion, the same organization recently treated to the news that he wants the V.A. to start billing our troops for their own service related injuries, while handing out tens of billions of dollars to private industry white collar scum.

    (Bush increased the VA budget by 56% from 2001 to 2008.)

    O. insulted the military again by interfering with the trial of the USS Cole bombing suspect.

    And insulted our allies in Britian and Israel.

    Every time the guy opens his mouth...:speechless:

    Just one ex-soldiers take on "How much Obama loves our Vets"

    How many days did you spend in uniform, Diesel? And this is honestly the Change you were looking for, when your military becomes one more item on a check list and your money no more than a blank check.
  13. diesel96

    diesel96 New Member

    Sammie, you conveniently and begrudgingly ignore :

    "President Obama's administration has increased the veterans budget
    by $25 billion over five years, and by $1.2 billion more than even recommended by the Independent Budget (the VA budget suggested by the nation's veterans organizations). His VA is announcing construction of new veterans hospitals and medical centers, providing more convenient and better care to veterans around the country."

    First, much of the internet hullabaloo about this topic has been inflammatory, emotional, and inaccurate. The Obama administration has not officially proposed that the VA start collecting from insurance companies for non-service related care. As Secretary Shinseki keeps saying, it was simply an idea at this point. It hasn't been actually proposed yet.
    Sammie and Co., let it go. It's not healthy to hold grudges.


    Office of the Press Secretary
    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE March 18, 2009

    Statement from Press Secretary Robert Gibbs on the President’s Strong Commitment to America’s Veterans:​

    The President has consistently stated that he is committed to working with veterans on the details of the 2010 VA Budget Proposal. The President demonstrated his deep commitment to veterans by proposing the largest increase in the VA budget in 30 years and calling VSO and MSO leaders into the White House for an unprecedented meeting to discuss various aspects of the budget proposal. In considering the third party billing issue, the administration was seeking to maximize the resources available for veterans; however, the President listened to concerns raised by the VSOs that this might, under certain circumstances, affect veterans and their families’ ability to access health care. Therefore, the President has instructed that its consideration be dropped. The President wants to continue a constructive partnership with the VSOs and MSOs and is grateful to those VSOs and MSOs who have worked in good faith with him on the budget proposal.
  14. Sammie

    Sammie Well-Known Member

    Yes, only after private and political outrage does he drop the vet medical plan and hopefully change his mind about controlling the census, as if he
    had nothing better to do.

    But before the next 4 years is up, mark my words. Social engineering got us in this train wreck in the first place and our former junior senator is only putting more of it in place. You have to rule according to the constitution, not according to feelings

    O. felt a 3 day vacation was more important than sitting with our leaders to go thru the stimulus they had to sign as the ecomony was going to internally combust within a matter of hours without it

    O. felt that the stimulus would save the Caterpillar Corp and promised them as much. Read about this company lately?

    Felt he was bringing a capable staff on board

    Felt he did good with his British houseguests

    Feels it only right to hand part of the stimulus, $5.2 billion, over to ACORN, the people who groomed him, who are also radical left-leaners under federal investigation for massive voter fraud

    Feels that sending a video to Iran will make Achmadenijad say "Hey, a Friend Fest! What a great guy! What a cool movie!"

    After he extends the sanctions on them....:dissapointed:

    Feelings, Wo Wo Wo Feelings

  15. diesel96

    diesel96 New Member

    Not sure after the first sentence, what this FOX-scripted rant has to do with O. hating the Vets, but it sure makes for a wonderful distraction....

    I know why you get so aggrevated, the more you throw old rotten eggs (such as Rev Wright, Achmadenijad, socialist, veteran hater) at Obama's Pam coated teflon suit, the more it doesn't stick with the majority of the American people. Maybe you ought to try egg whites, cause the yokes on you....:wink2:
  16. Baba gounj

    Baba gounj pensioner

    And this magic coat has been created by the O kissing butt media.
    The same wonderful "news makers " who are quickly running out of newspapers to print which the majority of American people are now refusing to believe in and actually read.
  17. chev

    chev Nightcrawler

    Sounds like someone is in full defense mode. I just have to laugh at the lengths some people will got to defend someone for the sake of saving face. :wink2: Bush did some stupid things but abandoning our troops like this is unconscionable. :angry: