Thomas Sowell on Barack Obama

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by outamyway, Oct 12, 2008.

  1. outamyway

    outamyway New Member

    The Real Obama
    by Thomas Sowell

    Critics of Senator Barack Obama make a strategic mistake when they talk about his "past associations." That just gives his many defenders in the media an opportunity to counter-attack against "guilt by association."

    We all have associations, whether at the office, in our neighborhood or in various recreational activities. Most of us neither know nor care what our associates believe or say about politics.

    Associations are very different from alliances. Allies are not just people who happen to be where you are or who happen to be doing the same things you do. You choose allies deliberately for a reason. The kind of allies you choose says something about you.

    Jeremiah Wright, Father Michael Pfleger, William Ayers and Antoin Rezko are not just people who happened to be at the same place at the same time as Barack Obama. They are people with whom he chose to ally himself for years, and with some of whom some serious money changed hands.

    Some gave political support, and some gave financial support, to Obama's election campaigns, and Obama in turn contributed either his own money or the taxpayers' money to some of them. That is a familiar political alliance-- but an alliance is not just an "association" from being at the same place at the same time.

    Obama could have allied himself with all sorts of other people. But, time and again, he allied himself with people who openly expressed their hatred of America. No amount of flags on his campaign platforms this election year can change that.

    Unfortunately, all that most people know about Barack Obama is his own rhetoric and that of his critics. Moreover, some of his more irresponsible critics have made wild accusations-- that he is not an American citizen or that he is a Muslim, for example.

    All that such false charges do is discredit Obama's critics in general. Fortunately, there is a documented, factual account of what Barack Obama has actually been doing over the years, as distinguished from what he has been saying during this election campaign, in a new best-selling book.

    That book is titled "The Case Against Barack Obama" by David Freddoso. He starts off in the introduction by repudiating those critics of Obama who "have been content merely to slander him-- to claim falsely that he refuses to salute the U.S. flag or was sworn into office on a Koran, or that he was born in a foreign country."

    This is a serious book with 35 pages of documentation in the back to support the things said in the main text. In other words, if you don't believe what the author says, he lets you know where you can go check it out.

    Barack Obama's being the first serious black candidate for President of the United States is what most people consider remarkable but how he got there is at least equally surprising.

    The story of Obama's political career is not a pretty story. He won his first political victory by being the only candidate on the ballot-- after hiring someone skilled at disqualifying the signers of opposing candidates' petitions, on whatever technicality he could come up with.

    Despite his words today about "change" and "cleaning up the mess in Washington," Obama was not on the side of reformers who were trying to change the status quo of corrupt, machine politics in Chicago and clean up the mess there. Obama came out in favor of the Daley machine and against reform candidates.

    Senator Obama is running on an image that is directly the opposite of what he has been doing for two decades. His escapes from his past have been as remarkable as the great escapes of Houdini.

    Why much of the public and the media have been so mesmerized by the words and the image of Obama, and so little interested in learning about the factual reality, was perhaps best explained by an official of the Democratic Party: "People don't come to Obama for what he's done, they come because of what they hope he can be."

    David Freddoso's book should be read by those people who want to know what the facts are. But neither this book nor anything else is likely to change the minds of Obama's true believers, who have made up their minds and don't want to be confused by the facts.

    The Real Obama Part II
    by Thomas Sowell

    A recent Republican campaign ad sarcastically described as Barack Obama's "one accomplishment" his supporting a bill to promote sex education in kindergarten.

    During an interview of a Republican spokesman, Tom Brokaw of NBC News replayed that ad and asked if that was something serious to be discussed in a presidential election campaign.

    It was a variation on an old theme about getting back to "the real issues," just as Brokaw's question was a variation on an increasingly widespread tendency among journalists to become a squad of Obama avengers, instead of reporters.

    Does it matter if Barack Obama is for sex education in kindergarten? It matters more than most things that are called "the real issues."

    Seemingly unrelated things can give important insights into someone's outlook and character. For example, after the Cold War was over, it came out that one of the things that caught the attention of Soviet leaders early on was President Ronald Reagan's breaking of the air traffic controllers' strike.

    Why were the Soviets concerned about a purely domestic American issue like an air traffic controllers' strike? Why was their attention not confined to "the real issues" between the United States and the Soviet Union?

    Because one of the biggest and realest of all issues is the outlook and character of the President of the United States.

    It would be hard to imagine any of Ronald Reagan's predecessors over the previous several decades-- whether Republicans or Democrats-- who would have broken a nationwide strike instead of caving in to the union's demands.

    This told the Soviet leaders what Reagan was made of, even before he got up and walked out of the room during negotiations with Mikhail Gorbachev. That too let the Soviet leaders know that they were not dealing with Jimmy Carter any more.

    There is no more real issue today than "Who is the real Barack Obama behind the image?" What does being in favor of sex education in kindergarten tell us about the outlook and character of this largely unknown man who has suddenly appeared on the national scene to claim the highest office in the land?

    It gives us an insight into the huge gulf between Senator Obama's election year image and what he has actually been for and against over the preceding decades. It also shows the huge gulf between his values and those of most other Americans.

    indergartners to be absurd but there is more to it than that.

    What is called "sex education," whether for kindergartners or older children, is not education about biology but indoctrination in values that go against the traditional values that children learn in their families and in their communities.

    Obviously, the earlier this indoctrination begins, the better its chances of overriding traditional values. The question is not how urgently children in kindergarten need to be taught about sex but how important it is for indoctrinators to get an early start.

    The arrogance of third parties, who take it upon themselves to treat other people's children as a captive audience to brainwash with politically correct notions, while taking no responsibility for the consequences to those children or society, is part of the general vision of the left that pervades our education system.

    Sex education for kindergartners is just one of many issues on which Barack Obama has lined up consistently on the side of arrogant elitists of the far left. Senator Obama's words often sound very reasonable and moderate, as well as lofty and inspiring. But everything that he has actually done over the years places him unmistakably with the extreme left elitists.

    Sadly, many of those who are enchanted by his rhetoric are unlikely to check out the facts. But nothing is a more real or more important issue than whether what a candidate says is the direct opposite of what he has actually been doing for years.

    The old phrase, "a man of high ideals but no principles," is one that applies all too painfully to Barack Obama today. His words expressing lofty ideals may appeal to the gullible but his long history of having no principles makes him a danger of the first magnitude in the White House.
  2. outamyway

    outamyway New Member

    Do Facts Matter?
    by Thomas Sowell

    Abraham Lincoln said, "You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time."

    Unfortunately, the future of this country, as well as the fate of the Western world, depends on how many people can be fooled on election day, just a few weeks from now.

    Right now, the polls indicate that a whole lot of the people are being fooled a whole lot of the time.

    The current financial bailout crisis has propelled Barack Obama back into a substantial lead over John McCain-- which is astonishing in view of which man and which party has had the most to do with bringing on this crisis.

    It raises the question: Do facts matter? Or is Obama's rhetoric and the media's spin enough to make facts irrelevant?

    Fact Number One: It was liberal Democrats, led by Senator Christopher Dodd and Congressman Barney Frank, who for years-- including the present year-- denied that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were taking big risks that could lead to a financial crisis.

    It was Senator Dodd, Congressman Frank and other liberal Democrats who for years refused requests from the Bush administration to set up an agency to regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

    It was liberal Democrats, again led by Dodd and Frank, who for years pushed for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to go even further in promoting subprime mortgage loans, which are at the heart of today's financial crisis.

    Alan Greenspan warned them four years ago. So did the Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers to the President. So did Bush's Secretary of the Treasury, five years ago.

    Yet, today, what are we hearing? That it was the Bush administration "right-wing ideology" of "de-regulation" that set the stage for the financial crisis. Do facts matter?

    We also hear that it is the free market that is to blame. But the facts show that it was the government that pressured financial institutions in general to lend to subprime borrowers, with such things as the Community Reinvestment Act and, later, threats of legal action by then Attorney General Janet Reno if the feds did not like the statistics on who was getting loans and who wasn't.

    Is that the free market? Or do facts not matter?

    Then there is the question of being against the "greed" of CEOs and for "the people." Franklin Raines made $90 million while he was head of Fannie Mae and mismanaging that institution into crisis.

    Who in Congress defended Franklin Raines? Liberal Democrats, including Maxine Waters and the Congressional Black Caucus, at least one of whom referred to the "lynching" of Raines, as if it was racist to hold him to the same standard as white CEOs.

    Even after he was deposed as head of Fannie Mae, Franklin Raines was consulted this year by the Obama campaign for his advice on housing!

    The Washington Post criticized the McCain campaign for calling Raines an adviser to Obama, even though that fact was reported in the Washington Post itself on July 16th. The technicality and the spin here is that Raines is not officially listed as an adviser. But someone who advises is an adviser, whether or not his name appears on a letterhead.

    The tie between Barack Obama and Franklin Raines is not all one-way. Obama has been the second-largest recipient of Fannie Mae's financial contributions, right after Senator Christopher Dodd.

    But ties between Obama and Raines? Not if you read the mainstream media.

    Facts don't matter much politically if they are not reported.

    The media alone are not alone in keeping the facts from the public. Republicans, for reasons unknown, don't seem to know what it is to counter-attack. They deserve to lose.

    But the country does not deserve to be put in the hands of a glib and cocky know-it-all, who has accomplished absolutely nothing beyond the advancement of his own career with rhetoric, and who has for years allied himself with a succession of people who have openly expressed their hatred of America.
  3. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    outamyway....I'm just hoping that folks will do a little searching on their contacting Obama to find out how much their taxes will be lowered HaHaHaHaHa !!

    The relationships (Ayers, Rev. Wright, etc) were a big turn-off for me. Hopefully others are noticing too and we just aren't as verbal as some and we will 'speak' in the voting booth. All those students who registered may not make it to the polls if they sleep in after the kegger.
  4. diesel96

    diesel96 New Member

    Since all republican crap shifted towards attacking Obama's character asssaination and running from the economy issues, the polls keep going up in Obama's favor. All this is, is an admission of no substance on correcting what effects us all.
  5. tieguy

    tieguy Banned

    probably more to the fact that obama is so well funded by all those corporations like fannie mae. I'm sitting here watching the football games and see about 10 obama commercials for every one mccain.
  6. The Other Side

    The Other Side Well-Known Troll Troll

    Why the continued lies mr tie, OBAMA is funded by the public. Sorry mccain has raised about as much money as a girl scout cookie drive, but thats not obamas problem.

    Dont forget McCain took over 150K from fannie mae as well...

    But the majority of his (McCain) donors are big corporations.

    Sorry, the time for republican rule is over. Let the sour grapes go.

    Here's a reminder for you, todays national polling results:

    RCP Average10/03 - 10/11-49.742.4Obama+7.3Gallup Tracking10/09 - 10/112783 RV5043Obama +7Rasmussen Tracking10/09 - 10/113000 LV5145Obama +6Reuters/CSpan/Zogby Tracking10/09 - 10/111206 LV4943Obama +6Hotline/FD Tracking10/09 - 10/11814 LV4941Obama +8Newsweek10/08 - 10/091035 RV5241Obama +11FOX News10/08 - 10/09900 RV4639Obama +7GW/Battleground Tracking10/06 - 10/09800 LV5143Obama +8Time10/03 - 10/061053 LV5044Obama +6NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl10/04 - 10/05658 RV4943Obama +6


    Maybe you just dont get it like the McCain campaign, smears and fear isnt working for you. Since going on the personal attack route, McCain is dropping faster then president bush's approval record.

    Everytime you all mention smears, I feel sorry for all of you, you're going down with him.
  7. cachsux

    cachsux Wah

    One of Obama`s biggest support groups is the U.S. soldiers in Iraq.
  8. av8torntn

    av8torntn Well-Known Member

    I will disagree with that. One thing about members of our military is that character is probably the biggest issue to them as they favor McCain.
  9. The Other Side

    The Other Side Well-Known Troll Troll

    Sorry Mr. Av8torntn but this article would tend to debunk your military claims.

    Military donations favor ObamaPosted 8/14/2008 6:41 PM | ​

    [​IMG][​IMG]Handout[​IMG]Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama greets a U.S. serviceman during a visit to Camp Eggers in Kabul on July 20. The non-partisan Center for Responsive Politics says more members of the military have given money to the Obama than to his opponent John McCain.

    WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. soldiers have donated more presidential campaign money to Democrat Barack Obama than to Republican John McCain, a reversal of previous campaigns in which military donations tended to favor GOP White House hopefuls, a nonpartisan group reported Thursday.
    Troops serving abroad have given nearly six times as much money to Obama's presidential campaign as they have to McCain's, the Center for Responsive Politics said.
    The results also are striking because they favored Obama, who never has served in the military. McCain meanwhile, is a decorated war veteran who spent nearly five years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam. The Arizona senator graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy and had a 22-year career as a naval aviator.
    Obama has opposed the war in Iraq and says he would withdraw combat troops within 16 months. McCain has been a steadfast supporter of the war, saying he would withdraw the troops only when conditions on the ground warrant it.
    "Obama will work tirelessly to uphold this nation's sacred trust with its veterans, to ensure they are not forgotten after they return home and he will provide our troops with the leadership they deserve, as well as the support they and their families need," Obama spokesman Nick Shapiro said.

    McCain's campaign played down the significance of the donations.
    "John McCain has been endorsed by more retired admirals and generals than Barack Obama has military donors," McCain spokesman Michael Goldfarb said in a statement.
    "We feel confident that many U.S. troops stationed overseas will support John McCain in the election this fall, but we suspect most are too busy doing the important work of defending this country than to make political contributions," Goldfarb said.
    The report tracked donations of $200 or more. It found that 859 members of the military donated a total of $335,536 to Obama. McCain received $280,513 from 558 military donors.
    Among soldiers serving overseas at the time of their donations, 134 gave a total of $60,642 to Obama while 26 gave a total of $10,665 to McCain. That was less than the amount received by Republican Ron Paul, who collected $45,512 from 99 soldiers serving abroad, the report said.
  10. The Other Side

    The Other Side Well-Known Troll Troll

    You would be correct in your statement!
  11. The Other Side

    The Other Side Well-Known Troll Troll

    Mr TIE, if you are going to make baseless claims then I cant help you.

    However, if you want to deal in reality, lets take a look at John McCain (mr principles) as you state him to be and his connections to both Fannie and Freddie.

    The one thing John McCain is not in short supply of is chutzpah. Last week McCain was lying about former Freddie Mac CEO Franklin Raines advising Obama, both in his ads and on the stump. Just this morning, McCain spokesman Nicole Wallace repeated the lie on Morning Joe (and of course Scarborough did not challenge the lie.)
    McCain's chutzpah is evidenced by the fact that McCain campaign manager Rick Davis made millions of dollars lobbying for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac:
    Senator John McCain’s campaign manager was paid more than $30,000 a month for five years as president of an advocacy group set up by the mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to defend them against stricter regulations, current and former officials say. . . . “The value that he brought to the relationship was the closeness to Senator McCain and the possibility that Senator McCain was going to run for president again,” said Robert McCarson, a former spokesman for Fannie Mae, who said that while he worked there from 2000 to 2002, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac together paid Mr. Davis’s firm $35,000 a month.​
    (Emphasis supplied.) Lying about Obama's advisors while doing that he claims to criticize. That is John McCain in a nutshell - a lying, unprincipled, incompetent ideologue. McCain is a disgrace.
  12. av8torntn

    av8torntn Well-Known Member

    Not really. I posted a poll for ya broken down by demographic. It is a little more current. Of course I could understand how you would not agree. You think the election is already over. This from an article about these military polls.

    "But as a snapshot of careerists, the results suggest Democrats have gained little ground in their attempts to significantly chip away at a traditionally Republican voting bloc in campaign messages and legislative initiatives, such as the recent expansion of GI Bill benefits, experts said."

    I just thought that I would play with the bold for you also. I know you hate it but in a group of men and women where character matters B. Hussein is going to have a rough time. I also think that the more that I see of these polls the more I think that McCain will win this thing. Up until a month ago it appeared that B. Hussein would easily win. You guys have put up a pretty weak candidate (that is saying alot when you compare him to McCain) and I think your window of opportunity is slipping away. The only hope for B. Hussein seems to be a very high turnout. Since there is very little excitement for either candidate it is not going to be pretty for him.

    I cannot help but wonder also if the Dims have shown their hand a little to early this time with the massive voter fraud push. They have already tried to steal an election without success in the courts. They followed that up with an unsuccessful attempt to turn the next election with what we all thought was massive voter fraud. The fraud that is coming out now makes the last cycle look like a small time effort. The real question is have they really shown their hand or do you Dims hold a real surprise this time?

    You know of course if B. Hussein were to apply for a sensitive government job he would likely fail his security clearance due to his known associates. Is this not ironic that he has at least an outside chance to become the next president? This is something you Dims do not seem to understand. What you guys are calling character assassination is really just highlighting a slight difference in character.

    When it comes down to it neither one of us can say for sure which candidate soldiers in Iraq support. Trust me when I tell you no one is going around to the small fobs and firm bases taking a poll. I will also say that I find it very unlikely that very many of these men and women find the time to donate money to either candidate. I mean come on we have what 150000 in Iraq and you find a poll that tracks the donations of 160 who are overseas and you are going to tell me this will debunk my claim. I think even as poor of a job as does they would do better than this. ​
  13. diesel96

    diesel96 New Member

    Sometimes I wonder if we live in the same dimension.
    Record voter turnout during the primaries.
    Sold out Stadiums venues and accusations of having "Rock Star" status.
    Int'l curiosity and overwhelming support for the Democratic canidate.
    Even the toothless Sarah "Barracuda" creating a "vibe" amongst her supporters. She even has her sheepish supporters yelling "Kill Him" :death:
    And your claiming no one's excited?
  14. av8torntn

    av8torntn Well-Known Member

    We do not.
    Having to bus supporters in from all across the country to fill them.
    Int'l people cannot vote.
    Toothless? That is supposed to predict voter turnout.
    Yep I am. With a sitting Presidents approval rating consistently below 20% B. Hussein from the opposite party cannot stay above 50% in the polls. You have faith in the polls not me. To get to his 48-51% he has to rely heavily on the youth. Historically they do not produce a heavy turnout.

    In the end we only have about a month left. If I remember correctly you dims and your polls always are trying to tell us there is no reason to get out and vote. Your guy already has it locked up. Good thing I guess that Americans really do not seem to care about your polls.
  15. tieguy

    tieguy Banned

    The only way we the taxpayers can go down with him is if your guy wins and takes this country down. Stupid comment.

    What ID did you post as before?

    Why are you dodging the question?

  16. The Other Side

    The Other Side Well-Known Troll Troll

    You use name calling now? Calling me stupid for an opinion?

    Lets analyze your statement here.

    Ok, lets begin with the facts, your GW BUSH has had to use taxpayer money to save his friends on wall street before they all go broke, he's had to use taxpayer money to buy worthless mortgages to save the lenders, he's had to use taxpayer moneys to buy stock in american banks to keep them afloat, he has the higest personal bankuptcy numbers in recorded history under his watch, he has the largest home foreclosure record in the world in history, he has lost the most jobs to oversea outsourcing in history, he's had the most pension funds going broke and sent to the PBGC in history, he's managed to take a country from a surplus to a deficit, he has increased the trade deficit to record levels, he's allowed oil to go to outrageous levels to the point where it tanked the economy,he started 2 wars he cant finish, he's had multiple members of his staff either arrested or resigned for inappropriate crimes, he's manged to piss off the entire world, he's taken a properous country and turned into a coast to coast disaster....

    And somehow, you believe OBAMA is going to take the country down???

    And Im stupid?
  17. outamyway

    outamyway New Member

    Not to mention the survey was done by over 4000 soldiers(there was an article those PDF's came from)

    Here it is:
    Military Times poll: Troops backing McCain

    By Brendan McGarry - Staff writer
    Posted : Thursday Oct 9, 2008 5:44:48 EDT

    Sen. John McCain enjoys overwhelming support from the military’s professional core, a Military Times survey of nearly 4,300 readers, indicates, though career-oriented black service members strongly favored the Democratic Party candidate.
    McCain, R-Ariz., handily defeated Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., 68 percent to 23 percent in a voluntary survey of 4,293 active-duty, National Guard and reserve subscribers and former subscribers to Army Times, Navy Times, Marine Corps Times and Air Force Times.
    The results of the Military Times 2008 Election Poll are not representative of the opinions of the military as a whole. The group surveyed is older, more senior in rank and less ethnically diverse than the overall armed services.
    But as a snapshot of careerists, the results suggest Democrats have gained little ground in their attempts to significantly chip away at a traditionally Republican voting bloc in campaign messages and legislative initiatives, such as the recent expansion of GI Bill benefits, experts said.

    “The military has been perceived as a conservative Republican institution,” said Peter Feaver, a political science professor at Duke University and a special adviser to the National Security Council from 2005 to 2007.
    “A lot of people thought that eight years of frustration with the Bush administration was going to undermine that,” he said. “This evidence suggests that it hasn’t undermined it as much as they thought, at least not yet.”
    Officers and enlisted troops, active-duty members and reservists, those who have served in combat and those who haven’t, all backed McCain by large margins, to about the same extent they supported President Bush four years ago.
    About 69 percent of respondents said they voted for Bush in 2004, while about 16 percent voted for the Democratic nominee, Sen. John Kerry.
    McCain’s majority wanes among women and disappears altogether among black respondents.
    Nearly eight out of 10 black service members indicated they intend to vote for Obama despite his lack of military service and despite McCain’s record as a naval aviator and prisoner of war in Vietnam.
    “I’m going to vote for Barack Obama,” said Marine Gunnery Sgt. Derrick Pipkin, a heavy equipment chief with the 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing in Miramar, Calif., and a black man who said he served seven months in Iraq in 2005.
    Pipkin said his vote was influenced more by the continued presence of 152,000 troops in Iraq than by race.
    “I believe that we did our best for the country,” he said. “It’s time to move on.”
    Iraq is third-biggest issue

    Among the top issues for respondents in the survey, the war in Iraq ranks third; it was the top concern in the 2004 Military Times survey. Among white respondents in the most recent survey, the candidate’s character ranked as the top issue; African Americans cited the economy as most important.
    Recent progress in stabilizing Iraq has helped McCain politically, Feaver said. McCain was an early supporter of the troop surge credited with helping to reduce violence in Baghdad and other areas of Iraq.
    Similarly, the character question plays to McCain’s strength, Feaver said. His dramatic experience as a POW is embodied in his campaign slogan, “Country First,” and carries a particular resonance in the military community, as service members themselves indicated.
    Army Sgt. 1st Class Derriel D. Collins, who is black, said he was influenced by McCain’s service record, though he acknowledges black friends question his decision.
    “I’m not going to give [my vote] to you just because you’re black,” he said. “It doesn’t work like that.”
    “John McCain went to war for this country, even though he had an admiral father who probably could have gotten him out of the service,” Collins said. “He stuck it out five years in a prisoner of war camp. If that ain’t fortitude, showing your willingness to go all the way, I don’t know what the credentials are.”
    Army Sgt. Timothy Coen said he will vote for McCain because that would be in keeping with his political views.
    “I just always voted conservative and on a lot of the issues at hand — gun rights and abortion — it just seemed like the more logical choice,” he said.
    Coen, who is white, said he is proud to see a minority running on the ticket of a major political party.
    “But we’d all be fools to think that the race card isn’t going to be played in this election,” he added. “As much as we’d like to say that discrimination or inequality is a thing of the past, it’s not.”
    Daniel J. Becker, an enlisted airman who declined to provide his rank because he wanted his comments to reflect only his personal views and not those of the service or Defense Department, said he will vote for McCain because he has always leaned toward Republican candidates.
    “I’ve always felt that the Republican Party was interested in having a stronger military, which leads to a stronger America,” he said. “That gives us a better voice in world politics and just makes us stand out as the world leaders that we are.”
  18. The Other Side

    The Other Side Well-Known Troll Troll

    This would hardly seem a fair representation of the military at large.

    More than 4400 were retirees, and the majority of those who participated were officers.

    This quote says the poll is NOT SCIENTIFIC and no margin of error can be established.

    This lopsided information is only a part of the mis-information designed to try and give the impression of military support for McCain.

    Nice try though.
  19. The Other Side

    The Other Side Well-Known Troll Troll

    Here are the actual numbers from the survey:

    This survey does not reflect the opinions of the armed services in iraq or afghanistan. While some on this board would try to fool the readers of this board with false information like this, it is clear that the military members in theatre are not represented in this survey.

    Good try though.
  20. outamyway

    outamyway New Member

    This will be my last response to you:

    I hope you enjoy paying severely high taxes. I hope you love that all that tax money will be going toward HELPING lazy people to be lazier. I hope you understand sharing the wealth is no longer freedom. I hope you understand free health care will cost you not only money but the quality of health care. I hope you will change your mind before you vote for a complete unknown mystery to LEAD AND CONTROL this country. I hope you loved the Constitution and what it stands for and what all those soldiers stand for, because the first few steps of a liberal Government will be to strip it away.

    Just in case he wins:

    I salute you my socialist comrade!